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Contents 1 Overview 2 Strange Sentence 3 Influences 4 Reaction 5 Deletion of Quote 6 Fair use rationale for Image:Freaks.jpg 7 Peter Robinson 8 "One of us" references

[edit] Overview

This overview is chronologically wrong. During the wedding party, Cleo first, puts the poison into Hans's cup, then she kisses Hercules in front of Hans, then the chant and "initiation" happens. After that begins she stands up and perturbed at the idea of becoming one of "them" she tosses the wine at the individual who offered it to her, not Hans. Just thought I ought to point that out. Please change the entry accordingly. Bozu 06:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strange Sentence

(actually a man, despite the dress which was for ease of using the restroom, Simon Metz) This sentence, to me, makes it sound as though Simon Metz is the restroom. I can;t work out how to rephrase it, though. Can someone suggest something here? Benny 18:43, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I think part of the problem was that the paragraph was just one very long sentence. I've broken it down into smaller sentences. I think it's still not quite right, but hopefully better. Maybe you could have another look at it and see what else needs changing - the article itself is fairly short so I don't see a problem with even making the paragraph a bit longer, if that makes it easier to read. Rossrs 00:31, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Influences

The quote "one of us..." was also used in an original song featured in Hedwig and the Angry Inch, directed by John Cameron Mitchell. The song was called "Freaks", written by Stephen Trask and performed by Stephen Trask and Girls Against Boys Bezoomny 21:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reaction

Reaction to this film was so intense that Browning had trouble finding work afterwards, and this in effect brought his career to an early close. The movie was banned in the United Kingdom for thirty years.

Can someone expand on this? It's not obvious to me what audiences of the time found so outrageous about the film.

Well, the, you know, freaks. Gorjus 19:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Quote

Under the (very great) "Famous Quote" section, someone had inserted a quote from Hans the midget. That's not relevant to the section--which is only about the "one of us" quote. Perhaps a new section on "other quotes" is needed, but I don't think so.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Freaks.jpg

Image:Freaks.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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Fair use rationale for image updated. --Northmeister 16:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I originally uploaded this image at a time when there were no other images for this article, and when I was notified that it was being listed for deletion, I took no action, thinking that it's not a bad thing for superfluous images to be deleted. I see no reason for this image to be retained. The article now has 3 images that are variations of posters/promotional material, each of them unfree images, and none of them showing anything significantly different. One such image is enough for this article and I disagree that the need for this image to remain has been demonstrated. I think it is important that we are able to use a claim of fair use when necessary, but that such uses should occur sparingly. Rossrs 21:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I suggest you take the necessary measures to delete and cleanup. --Northmeister 22:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. I've removed the DVD cover and listed it for deletion as an orphan. The other film poster is being used in another article and I'll leave it there, although I disagree that it's being used by our definition of "fair". Rossrs 10:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I watched the whole film and at no point during the movie I was "horrified". Why is the category horror movie ? This is gross insensitivity towards those born with defects. They shouldnt freak you out. Thats the whole point of the movie. Please change the category of the movie. Do I sound reasonable ? - Swapnil

Maybe it's a horror movie because when it was made it disturbed people. Horror movies don't necessarily mean that everyone dies in a movie, it overall is meant to send people into a state of terror. Though it may be cruelly stated that people with defects are freaks, these people devoted their lives to being 'freaks' in the circus. It is technically a horror film made a long time ago. - Chelsea —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.72.61.210 (talk) 10:28, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

It's still horrifying today, if you know how to watch it. It's what I think of as a REAL horror movie, not just stereotyped blood and gore. The viewer should be asking him/herself if the "freaks" of the title really refer to the physically-challenged characters, or to the so-called "normal" people who are morally freaks. This was the whole problem with the film, as I understand it: too many people at that time couldn't get past the physical anomalies to see what the film was really saying. Nor, apparently, can many of us, though for the opposite reason - we're too jaded by modern media exposure to such stuff to be too disturbed by the actors themselves, but we're also too busy finding it "politically incorrect" to see what's really behind it! 149.159.109.122 03:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The categorization of horror may have something to do with the fact that Browning was most famous for his work in the horror genre. KHorberg 15:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Robinson

What's wrong with this dude? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ford Prefect 2 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "One of us" references

Is it necessarily true that every chanting of the phrase "one of us" is a direct homage to this film? I suggest that only the instances that are clearly related - i.e., they contain a more clearly identifiable portion of the signature phrasing (the nonsense gobble-words, or the entire "we accept her, we accept her, one of us," etc.) or the writer/speaker specifically credits it as a reference - be included. After all, "one of us" isn't that unusual a phrase, nor is the idea of chanting something!149.159.109.122 03:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)