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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Translation projects 3 Krakebs 4 Welcome to Esperanza! 5 Re:Rais 6 Verifying information in an article 7 use of {nonsense} 8 oprhaned footnote 9 Esperanza 10 An Esperanzial note 11 Re:thanks 12 Your question 13 Hello! 14 Please post in discussion first. 15 Esperanza & Your sig 16 Kushiel's Scion 17 Another Esperanzial note... 18 Friendly Reminder 19 Citing Sources 20 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1 21 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2 22 Bio-Barnstar 23 Flora nomination change? 24 Mi-3 and W-3 Sokół 25 Old Skool Esperanzial note 26 COTW Project 27 Sintir 28 Thanks Francisco 29 El misterio de CSD-G6 30 Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3 31 Bio-barnstar proposal 32 Language Icons 33 Please help on Ancient Egypt 34 Medicine CotW 35 RfA Notification 36 4 humours

Welcome

Hello, Francisco Valverde/Archive 1, and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the Wikipedia Boot Camp, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on your user page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Translation projects

Hola Fran. I thought you may be interested in Wikipedia:Translation into English#Spanish-to-English. Cheers -- Szvest 20:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Krakebs

Hola Fran! Lo siento! I'll try to get a fancy pic for the subject once i am in Morocco. For the meantime, we can still use Image:InstrumentsG.jpg and explain where are the Krakebs. Cheers -- Szvest 03:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

If you check the article Gnawa music#music, you'll see that I had already named all the 3 instruments in the picture. They are called Tbel and Guembri. You can also include them in the Category:Moroccan music.

Regarding the translation, the best place to participate is here Wikipedia:Spanish Translation of the Week. Cheers -- Szvest 19:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Esperanza!

Cheers, Sango123 (talk) 22:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Rais

Hola Francisco! A rais could mean many things according to the context:

• In Standard Arabic, it means President.
• In some middle eastern countries, it means a Chief.
• In some idioms like Darija, it can mean a Captain.
• Sometimes Caid and Rais would both mean the same. However, it can never mean a King. Cheers -- Szvest 15:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up™}

Verifying information in an article

Hola! you placed a tag for verifying information in the article of Antonio Sanchez (Puerto Rican host) a while ago. What information you think needs to be verified? I might work with it today or tomorrow. Gracias, man... Thief12 23:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

use of {nonsense}

Hello - While it may be vanity, Shivram is not patent nonsense by any stretch of that term. It helps to use a better CSD tag so that if the author sees it, they know what they did wrong. Ian tattersall wasn't nonsense either, for that matter. Thanks. CDC (talk) 23:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

oprhaned footnote

re: History of United States overseas expansion

I am deleting the footnote that you changed from {{fact}}[1] to {{ref|1}} [2] because there was no accompanying footnote added. You can go back and add the footnote if you wish.

Nevermind, I see, my mistake, after looking at your later edits, I see that you simply added the footnote incorrectly[3] please see my current edits for the correct way to do a footnote.Travb 03:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza

Have a very happy birthday from me and your friends at Esperanza.--Dakota ~ ε 02:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! Here's a tasty Birthday cake. Best wishes to you! Hope you enjoy your day. Now, get on out there and have some fun! ;)

--Jen Moakler 18:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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Re:thanks

You are welcome, hope it was a good one. Thought you would like to know your that all of your signature links to Esperanza.--Dakota ~ ε 06:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Your question

Apologías, I have been away for couple of days. in answer to your question. You can revert it. It is not at all uncommon so don't let it get you down. It seems to have stopped when I just now checked. If you need any more help let me know. Gracias compañero esperanzan.--Dakota ~ ε 22:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

When you listed the articlePeoples Grocery for deletion, the link to the debate led to the debate for a different article up for deletion. Just to let you know, I relisted the article. cheers! --Banana04131 03:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Please post in discussion first.

Instead of adding the unencyclopedic tag to the article I wrote on vitality, why not give a reason or add what you think is lacking to it. Criticism is worthless when it consiststs solely of "you're wrong".

Esperanza & Your sig

There appears to be a fault in your signiature and as a result, a message about an AfD vote intended apparantly for you has ended up on the Esperanza talk page. You might like to fix your sig (if you haven't already) and check the message. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 17:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Kushiel's Scion

FYI, looks like someone may have altered your "vote" on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kushiel's Scion. Just thought you'd want to know. (Whoever it was deleted my "vote" outright.) Crypticfirefly 17:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
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Friendly Reminder

This is in response to your AfD nomination of Zeta Phi Rho. Remember to always sign all of your posts on talk pages. Typing four tildes after your comment ( ~~~~ ) will insert a signature showing your username and a date/time stamp, which is very helpful. -- Thesquire (talk - contribs) 14:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Citing Sources

Thanks for all the input of dinosaurs' stub articles but could you cite sources...? --Francisco Valverde 18:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, Francisco. They're coming. I just created the stub articles. They will get sources as I expand them later today.--Firsfron 19:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

Reach out Reach out is a program aimed at allowing users to bring issues that they have had in Wikipedia to a listening, sympathetic and caring audience: "No one can know how we feel if we do not say. We cannot expect to get understanding if we do not ask for it. No one will dispute that sometimes life's issues are too much for one person. It is fair to say that sometimes Wikipedia's problems fall under the same heading. This is a place where you can bring the bruises that can sometimes be got on this project for attention." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Note from the editor Welcome to this new format of the Esperanza Newsletter, which came about during the last Advisory Council meeting - we hope you like it! The major changes are that each month, right after the Council meeting, this will be sent out and will include two featured programs and a sum up of the meeting. Also, it will be signed by all of the Advisory Council members, not just Celestianpower. Have an Esperanzial end of March, everyone!

The last AC meeting (full log) Future meetings are to be held monthly, not fortnightly as before. Bans and Access level changes (apart from autovoice) in the IRC channel are to be reported at the new log. In the IRC channel, there is going to be only one bot at a time. The charter requires members to have 150 edits and 2 weeks editing. Why this is the case will be clarified. A new Code of Conduct will be drafted by JoanneB and proposed to the Esperanza community. The NPA reform idea is to be dropped officially. Charter ammendments are to be discussed in future, not voted on. The Advisory Council is not going to be proposed to be expanded by the Advisory Council themselves, if others want to propose it, they will listen. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 17:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #2

Barnstar Brigade The Barnstar Brigade is a new program aimed at giving more very deserving yet unappreciated users barnstars. It will officially start on 2006-04-09, but signing up is encouraged before this date: "Here in Wikipedia, there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go un-appreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go un-noticed. Sadly, these editors often leave the project. As Esperanzians, we can help to make people feel appreciated, be it by some kind words or the awarding of a Barnstar. A project the size of Wikipedia has thousands of editors, so there are plenty of people out there who deserve recognition, one just has to find them. The object of this program is not to flood editors with Barnstars, but to seek out people who deserve them, and make them feel appreciated." Stress Alerts The Stress alerts program aims at identifying users who are stressed, alerting the community of thier stress and works in tandem with the Stressbusters at trying to identify causes of stress and eliminating them. Information Welcome to the second issue of the new format Esperanza Newsletter - we hope you still like it! This week, it was delivered diligently by our new dogsbody. MiszaBot (run by Misza13): any execution complaints should go to him. Content comments should be directed at the Esperanza talkpage. Thanks!

The last AC meeting (full log) The next elections: Approval voting as before and, also as before, an previous leadership member can run. Please submit your name for voting in the relevant section of this page. Voting starts on 2006-04-23 and ends on 2006-04-30. There will be three places up for grabs as KnowledgeOfSelf is leaving Wikipedia. Please see the previously linked page for full details. The Code of Conduct is now ready for extensive discussion! Specific comments should go to the Code of Conduct talk page, discussion of having one at all should be directed to the main Esperanza talk page. The current process for accepting proposals for new programs has been deemed fine. All Advisory Council members and the Admin Gen are to endevour to be bold when viewing discussion. If they feel that consensus has been reached, they will act accordingly. A plea from the editor... The propsed programs page is terribly underused! Please leave any comments, good or bad, on the page, to help us determine the membership's thoughts on the ideas there. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, KnowledgeOfSelf and FireFox 19:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

Bio-Barnstar

Hola Francisco, I saw your comment on the barnstar proposal page. I would also like to see the addition of a barnstar specific for the life science. Here's my suggestion:

You were talking with ClockworkSoul about whether to put into the biology wikiproject. Did you suggest a bio-barnstar there? If so where? Hope to hear from you. Jasu 14:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Just added my vote for flora. It's in a bad state. And I'm waiting for ClockworkSoul to comment on the star. Hasta wiki. Jasu 13:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Flora nomination change?

I have tagged Flora (plants) as a stub, as a first step to change it to a WP:COTW nomination. I personally believe there should be a complete re-write of the article. Do you all agree to make the change? --Francisco Valverde 08:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Any significant expansion will essentially amount to a rewrite, since there's so little content there currently. But I'm not sure what change you're proposing, exactly, beyond the obvious one of moving it to CotW, which I've already agreed to. You don't seem to be proposing any concrete or specific changes to the article at this point, just vaguely alluding to a "rewrite", which is such an obvious and generic suggestion that I don't at all comprehend your going around and asking other editors' permissions to work on such a rewrite. Your surprisingly long delay, however, in nominating the article on CotW, even after I repeatedly encouraged you to immediately nominate the article there, has resulted in the situation that it is now probably nearly impossible for there to be a dual-nomination because Fauna already has 10 votes and there's next to no chance of Flora getting that many in time. As such, I no longer expect the article to be successful on CotW (and I know it won't be successful on AID). But that's your problem. Next time, don't be so slow to act; be bold. -Silence 08:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not acceptable to delete an entry from AID or CotW, especially if you aren't the only one who's voted for it. If it's obsolete, it'll be auto-removed soon anyway when few people vote for it. As I said from the beginning, just nominate it at CotW too. There's absolutely no rule against something being nominated at both places simultaneously; indeed, this has happened numerous times in the past. Then simply direct voters on the AID page to the CotW page with a link so they'll know where to voice their support. -Silence 08:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Mi-3 and W-3 Sokół

Name Mi-3 was used few times by Soviets:

• version of Mi-1, heavier version with 4 blade main rotor from 1956
• version of Mi-2, but here are some doubious about designation (it was only one prototype 1964)
• Soviet desgnation on Polish-Soviet co-operation on largr helicopter based on Mi-2 that could replace Mi-4 from 1971. Project never get out from stage of planning. Finaly,due to problems in this coopertaion, Poles decided to build completly new machine, designated as PZL W-3 Sokół

As for "Sokół known also as Anakonda", W-3 has many versions. Based one for civil, land rescue and transport purposes is call Sokół (also one of armed versions is called like that). Anakonda is name for two SAR verions, other, less popular (projects, prototypes, small number, specialistic versions for army) are Huzar, Salamandra, Aligator, Gipsówka and Procjon.

Radomil talk 09:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I transformed it into disambig. Check it now. Is it OK in Your opinion? Radomil talk 12:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower ^háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

COTW Project

You voted for Fauna (animals), this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. -Scottwiki 09:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Re moving flora. On WP:CSD the criteria for speedy deletion are given various numbers. CSD:G6 is

Housekeeping. Non-controversial maintenance tasks such as temporarily deleting a page in order to merge page histories, performing a non-controversial page move like reversing a redirect, or removing a disambig page that only points to a single article.

I though adding the tag may help the admin decide whether to delete the page or not. --Salix alba (talk) 19:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sintir

As the sintir is played by Moroccans of West African origin (perhaps originally from Mali), it makes sense that the skin-covered lute (called xalam, hoddu, ngoni, etc.) came to Morocco with them. But I'm not sure that's proven/provable. The earliest skin-covered lutes were probably from western Asia, spreading into Ancient Egypt by the Middle Kingdom, then probably spreading west to the Mali Empire, then north with the Gnawa to Morocco. But that's just extrapolation from the available evidence. Badagnani 21:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Francisco

Gracias, for introducing me to collaboration of the week and for giving me a first taste of wiki-community. It's great to work with you. Jasu 08:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

El misterio de CSD-G6

Aha, had the same idea as you to request help with Flora/Fauna from the Salix alba who helped us out with a little comment on the discussion pages. I was surprised to see you had already been there although with a different comment ;-)

I did manage to unearth this in the endless realms of the wikipedia: CSD = category for speedy deletion - GX (G1: Nonsense — G2: Test pages — G3: Vandalism — G4: Previously deleted — G5: Banned user — G6: Housekeeping — G7: Author's request — G8: Talk pages) more [4]. Nos vemos en COTW, Jasu 08:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

Administrator Coaching The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service. This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins. Stressbusters The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome! Note from the editor As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!

The last AC meeting (full log) Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon. Signed... Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture 20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Bio-barnstar proposal

Given the vast scope of the biology articles, there is certainly a need for a dedicated bio-barnstar. Several proposals have been made, with a few proposed by me. In my opinion, this discussion should be brought to the talk page of the Tree of Life : Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life. There will be enough interested ToL participants to express their opinion and preferences. This should in the end lead to the definite bio-barnstar. Agreed ? JoJan 18:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• You need to build consensus on the image and the scope of the award. --evrik 22:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Have a look at the proposal discussion. I have added a to-do list. It's also new to me, but we got some good adivce from ClockworkSoul and evrik who did a lot of barnstarrring. And now let's just be bold. ;-) --Jasu 15:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

What's happening with the barnstar? I saw that it was removed from the proposal, but it isn't (yet?) in the barnstar list. What's happening with it? Thanks. IronChris | (talk) 04:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It is now in Wikipedia:Other awards. As far as I understand, that is where it belongs? --liquidGhoul 23:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Language Icons

The consensus on the Language icon talk page puts them on the end of the links, and I've been working on implementing that consensus. --Evan Seeds (talk) 19:36, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Please help on Ancient Egypt

Posted by Pruneau 18:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID Maintenance Team

Medicine CotW

Hi! I noticed you were adding {{CurrentMCOTW}} to user talk pages. I think you'll find it's better to add {{subst:CurrentMCOTW}} instead. With the first method, the template will always have the name of the then CotW, so in a week, the user talk pages might read "the Medicine CotW is Huntingtons Disease". With the second method, the talk pages will always read "the Medicine CotW is Medicine in Ancient Greece", so the user will always know what you meant. The link will remain to the article they voted for.

I hope what I wrote makes some sort of sense... If you knew all this already and were using the first version on purpose, then I'm sorry, just ignore this message. Pruneau 21:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

subst stands for substitution. You can use with the syntax I described in my previous message: add {{subst:CurrentMCOTW}} to a page. For example, compare User_talk:Osbus#Please_help_on_Mathematics with User_talk:Osbus#New_Medicine_COTW. In both cases, the template appears on the talk page. But in the MCotW case, the template is still linked to Template:CurrentMCOTW, so when the template is changed, the message will change. On the contrary, when I used {{subst:AIDvoter}} instead of {{AIDvoter}}, the complete code for the template was substituted, so the message will never change. Pruneau 15:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA Notification

Hello! I noticed that you have interacted with User:Osbus who is currently undergoing an RfA and thought that you might be interested in participating at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Osbus. You have received this message without the endorsement of the candidate involved, and this is not a solicitation of support, it is only an effort to make RfA discussions better (for more information see user:ShortJason/Publicity). Thank you in advance for your participation. ShortJason 22:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

4 humours

Hola Francisco, this concept is a bit dusty, but then so are some encyclopedias ;-) I was surprised by the modern additions to this concept - the table in the four humour article. I sketched a quick diagram during incubations. Let me know whether you find it useful. All the best. **Jasu 18:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)