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[edit] description of comedic form?

i came to this page to get a sense of how people would describe the common comedic styles of these actors and films, not just to get their names. would any contributor be interested in adding a "comedic style" section or "critical opinion" or something about who the target audience is? 71.135.39.56 (talk) 06:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

  • If that section is supported with cited references I think that would make for a great addition.Kevin Crossman (talk) 18:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] stricter criteria for filmography

I feel that there needs to some clean up in the filmography portion of this article. I feel that some movies, though they feature members of the frat pack, are not what the public would consider "frat pack" films. A prime example is madagascar 2. I propose that some criteria relating to the intended audience, teens and college age males, and the over all style and subject be implemented. I know this is sublective, but i feel like what is up right now is not accurate. If no one has anything to say about this after a couple of days, i am going to go for it. Cheers! Nate (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I empathise with this point. Certainly films like Along Came Polly or Talladega Nights have more in common with "true" Frat Pack films than things like Around the World in 80 Days. (as an aside, since Jack is not confirmed for Madagascar 2, that should probably be removed). I'm not sure what the best recommendation is, since borderline films like Meet the Fockers may not may not fit people's expecations. The current chart is reflective of films with more than one Frat Pack star, but the rest of it "what's a 'Frat Pack' style film" or 'Frat Pack Classic' are pretty subjective.Kevin Crossman (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Over at the Frat Pack Tribute we addressed this by making separate charts for films with only a single Frat Pack star, and to separate the "family fare" into a separate chart. Before making changes, perhaps you can provide more details of what those would be? I'm not opposed to clarifying the seminal Frat Pack films, that's for sure. The problem is that nobody has done this except for the Tribute site, which may or may not fit the definition of a source to be referenced.Kevin Crossman (talk) 20:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The thing that is kind of bullshit about the "frat pack" as opposed to the "rat pack" is that we never hear about these guys hanging around? Do they? This group makes some pretty funny movies, but does anything make them cool?-TS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.109.18 (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I reacon a film needs two have to of them in the lead role. Sorta like Zoolander and Starsky & Hutch. Or have one lead role and a few minors like Anchorman. But all films need to have one lead I reacon.

I believe that the list is far too broad and that some of the movies have only two members in supporting roles or in the case of Knocked up it has steve carell who kind of counts as a member in the fact that he had minor roles in some movies with the other guys in a cameo and owen wilson in a dvd extra. I think that the following movies should be removed: The Cable Guy, The Suburbans, Meet the Parents, Orange County, Run Ronnie Run, Meet the Fockers, Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny, Melinda and Melinda, Bewitched, Night at the Museum, Blades of Glory, Knocked Up, and Night at the Museum 2: Escape from the Smithsonian


unsigned comment added by 66.134.129.116 (talk) 19:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Why would you remove those? The chart indicates the movie connections between the actors and all of those movie do that, esp. movies where one or more have large parts (Meet the Parents, Night at the Museum, Tenacious D).Kevin Crossman (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Those movies star one person in a staring role and another in a supporting role at most. this list has almost 30 movies it is at this point almost a list of every movie any of these actors have ever done.

  • "almost a list of every movie any of these actors have ever done"? That's more than a little hyperbolic. It's hardly a list of every movie those actors have done.Kevin Crossman (talk) 23:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Knocked up has a cameo and someone in a dvd extra that has nothing to do with movies like old school wedding crashers and doge ball. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.237.116 (talk) 00:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frat Pack Tribute Site

There is no need for the frat pack tribute site to be mentioned. The only reason it is mentioned is because Kevin Crossman wants to get more people to visit his site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.81.136.149 (talk) 12:08, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

  • Here we go again... Please read the previous discussions. Kevin Crossman 15:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(Kevin Crossman) your contradicting yourself in an above article you say that your site is just a fan site and ranking on Google is nothing to go by yet you keep mentioning your site and even put the site address in. I suggest you stop as you are violating Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.81.137.111 (talk)

  • The page is quoting from my site, so YES, I want links back to my site when direct quotes are used (as with any quote on Wikipedia, by the way). As for some of the other site links, no... I did not add those.Kevin Crossman 17:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Regarding the Google comment, my point was that the Tribute site shouldn't be included just because it has a high Google rank, but that it has good content for this topic.Kevin Crossman 17:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • By the way, you'd establish better credibility as someone who truly understands Wikipedia's policies if you were a registered user rather than a rotating series of IP addresses. :-) Kevin Crossman 18:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I am an established user i just forgot to sign in before making my comments User:Harry weasley And anyway you seem to have little knowledge of what films are frat pack films because you are always changing what films you have listed on your so called tribute site. For instance you added Run Ronnie Run even though its only frat pack connections are cameos and you took away School Of Rock despite the fact that it is a typical frat pack comedy. You may argue this by saying that it only has one frat pack member (Jack Black) however it isn't in you frat pack tribute recomends list either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harry weasley (talk • contribs) 22:50, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

  • a) Run Ronnie Run has two Frat Pack members, so it is included on the Movie Scorecard page alongside any other project that has more than one Fratter (including dramas like Permanent Midnight). b) School of Rock was moved to the Family Films page when we added that a couple months ago. As for my knowledge of what films "are frat pack films" the page on our site that defines what a "frat pack movie" is (as opposed to movies with frat pack stars) has changed only when new movies are released (example: Blades of Glory earlier this year). We were the first outlet to "define" what a Frat Pack film is, and the definition has not changed substantially in three years. That's the page referenced in the Wiki article, by the way. Kevin Crossman 04:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If you only add new films when they are released how come it took you 3 years to add around the world in 80 days (it came out in 2004 but you only added it in 2007)Harry weasley —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.81.137.139 (talk) 11:45, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

  • You're talking about the Movie Scorecard, not the list of "Frat Pack Classics." Inclusion on that chart does not deem a film to be "what films are frat pack films" to use your terminology. The list of "Frat Pack Classics" has stayed steady, with the exception of Envy which was added to the list based on input from the other Tribute editors and Jack Black's rising status within the Pack. Please don't assume every movie on the Scorecard is a "frat pack movie". As noted, Permanent Midnight is on the list but is a drama. See? Kevin Crossman 15:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

THIS PAGE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THIS ARTICLE NOT YOUR LITTLE FANSISTE —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.81.137.139 (talk) 23:05, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm really sorry I started this thread, then. Oh, wait... I didn't start the thread, did I? Kevin Crossman

04:54, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

yes you did

    • Actually, this thread, which is clearly about the Frat Pack site, was started by the person with the IP address 88.81.136.149 on August 21, 2007 which I'm assuming is Mr. Harry Weasley. Kevin Crossman is merely responding to the attacks to his name. And said attacks aren't even correct, such as accusations of "taking away" School of Rock. And the bottom line is the Wikipedia Frat Pack page took a direct quote from Crossman's site, so an attribution is required. And why is Crossman's site constantly being attacked simply for being linked? Look at the page for The Office; they have multiple fan sites listed, and they qualified as a Featured Article. Clearly, Crossman's Frat Pack site has grown into an increasingly relevant source as he's been contacted by outlets such as Universal Pictures & USA Today. But going back to the attack by User 88.81.137.139, Kevin didn't start the discussion about his site. If any blame is to be placed, send it to whoever the user was that quoted the Frat Pack site to describe what a Frat Pack movie is. Check the IPs, that text wasn't placed by Kevin Crossman.See me let go —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:41, August 24, 2007 (UTC).
    • The Frat Pack Wiki page directly quotes Crossman's site and apparently has for a very long time. As stated before, he is not responsible for adding it. He should receive proper credit for his text Wikipedia:Citing sources; as Wiki strives to adhere to all copyright © laws. Welcome!! Wikipedia:Copyrights 2agilbert 01:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Walk Hard

Hey get Walk Hard the Dewey Cox story in here for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.105.209.68 (talk) 06:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

no walk hard has nothing to do with the actors in this group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.237.116 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

  • While I am not advocating either adding Walk Hard to the chart or defining John C. Reilly as a "frat pack member" both Walk Hard and John C. Reilly are related to the group. Walk Hard contains a cameo by Jack Black (a Frat Pack member) and numerous frequent contributors like Justin Long, Paul Rudd, Tim Meadows, Chris Parnell, Jenna Fischer - and produced by Judd Apatow. "Nothing to do with the actors in this group"? Hardly. Also, Reilly has worked extensively with Will Ferrell and Jack Black.Kevin Crossman (talk) 18:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If it does not have will ferrell, vince vaungh, luke or owen wilson, jack black, or steve carrell in it than it should not even be mentioned on this page. It really does not matter how many frequent contributors are in it. stop trying to turn this list in to a 20 actor list with 50 plus movies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.85.166 (talk) 03:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Well, considering that Jack Black does appear what do you propose?Kevin Crossman (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The criteria that is currently used in the article for "Other films" is "with at least one of these in a large role". If this is the case, add the film. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Dick in Knocked Up?

I don't think Andy Dick is anywhere in Knocked Up.

Didn't see it but IMDB credits him. Maher-shalal-hashbaz (talk) 16:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • He's one of the celebrities interviewed by Katherine Heigl's character at the MTV Movie Awards (same scene as Steve Carell's cameo)Kevin Crossman (talk) 17:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Dodgeball?

I was wondering why Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story isn't on the list of movies. After all, Vince Vaughn and Ben Stiller have the two largest roles.66.229.7.218 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)