Talk:Frank Wuterich

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• Media: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/06/marine-says-haditha-killings-were.php

Contents 1 Neutrality disputed 2 Frank's Character 3 Exact wording of Dela Cruz' statements 4 POV, image

[edit] Neutrality disputed

The article only gives one version of the incident, and after an initial phrase "according to Wuterich" it goes on as if facts were presented. The version of those close to the victims is very different from this, and even US senators have described the incident as a massacre, based on official investigations. Please give equal weight to both sides. Furthermore, I see no information in the fact that family members have spoken out in his defense. They were not there. Socafan 22:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I just added several lines about news reports refuting Wuterich's story, and am going to remove the NPOV tag. Please feel free to expand the section as much as possible. As for the family members, considering Wuterich has not spoken for himself, I don't see any reason not to include the info, so long as it doesn't come to dominate the whole article. Joshdboz 01:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I still do not see why we need family members who were not there defending him in the article, but that is just my opinion. Socafan 07:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the disproportionate amount of information on Wuterich's view of events so that the article can be NPOV. I kept the reference to the washington post. Vorpal Blade^{snicker-snack} 07:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frank's Character

I'm sorry if this is not the correct forum for these statements, but I think they need to be placed somewhere. As they have a bearing on Frank's character.

My name is Brian Rowe. I served with Staff Sergent Wuterich for four years. He is of fine moral character, and a stellar Marine. If this happened to him, then you can be sure that it could have happened to me, or to anyone. The fog of war is thick, please remember that. Briprowe 18:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

If it's so thick you cannot tell right from wrong anymore, you should get the hell out of there. Say thanks to all the fine politicians who indoctrinated you that the lives of human beings are attributed worth according to the color of their passport and their skin. If the "fog of war" is so thick you don't see anymore that "kill them all, let god sort them out" is a philosophy that could not possibly be more barbaric, you cease to fulfill a purpose other than serving as a bad example. --84.46.0.176 16:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is obviously in need of more editing if it gave anyone the impression that Frank Wuterich has already been found guilty, and that words in his defense deserve that kind of a vicious response.

-- Randy2063 18:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn you people are naive. He is a murder. Think of the Iraqi families being innocently killed. Also put yourself in the same position. Having a soldier come in and completely slaughter your entire family. Shoot first and ask questions later BULLsh!t. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.198.42 (talk) 14:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exact wording of Dela Cruz' statements

Apparently these are not to be taken too literally. I read several articles about the hearing and every one of them used different wording. This could be due to English not being Dela Cruz' native language, so these could be translations. Or they could be similar statements made at different times in the testimony. Aragorn2 00:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV, image

• POV tag added -- that is a no-brainer regardless of what anyone may personally think!!

• Also, image rv -- that image was not of Frank Wuterich. I just saw Wuterich on TV, and that is not the same guy. 216.194.2.12 23:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Readded image file the Vanity Fair article has a pic and that sure looks like the same guy to me. — MrDolomite • Talk 15:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)