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Contents 1 Do not use the movie as a source 2 Howard Hughes 3 500,000,000 4 Richie Roberts defending Lucas 5 Two jail terms 6 Article degrading/questionable data 7 Inspiration for Tom Clancy

[edit] Do not use the movie as a source

To all participating authors please do not rely on the movie for quotes/basic information/fact finding for this article, doing so is rather inappropriate for an encylopedia. It is ok to mention the movie or even give avery short description of it, but this needs to be clearly separated from the information and parts about Lucas himself. Also there should be no speculations and rather personal assessments, statement about his "power" (more than the mafia or similar) or his "influence" need to be sourced if they are more specific than the general "he was an influential crime figure". There's enough information for short article in the online newspaper articles listed as sources. If somebody wants to contribute more details, he/she should use the book about him,the NYC archives, court or police reports but not the movie. Keep in mind the movie is fictionalized/dramatized story of his life and not a documentary, so you cannot rely on details/events of the movie for historical facts.--Kmhkmh 00:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Howard Hughes

When Lucas was active in Harlem, Howard Hughes was holed up in a series of hotels around the world. He didn't appear in public at all during this period, much less in Harlem. This meeting should be cited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero42 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 500,000,000

I took out the following:

By the time of his arrest; Lucas was worth in excess of $500,000,000. Even by today's standards; that amount of money in assets he was beyond rich and could be considered wealthy - something he aspired to be. To give a true picture of how much he was worth; in todays money, Frank Lucas would have been worth about £4.5 billion. That would make him joint 52nd richest man in America and 117th in the world.

$500,000,000??? The sources say he was worth 50,000,000 at his arrest. $500,000,000 seems way to high for me. Removed unless some can provide a source. -- Esemono (talk) 05:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Richie Roberts defending Lucas

Ther reference to Richie Roberts later defending Lucas is tagged here as citation needed. One is provided in the Richie Roberts article that could be used here: William Kleinknecht, From Foes to Friends and Now on to Fame, The Star-Ledger, October 5, 2006. 211.30.85.57 (talk) 03:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is this article? It claims that he defended Lucas in 1984 for his second drug case? -- Esemono (talk) 08:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Two jail terms

Frank was sentenced to two seperate jail terms one in 1976 were after 5 years in jail was released (in 1981). He was caught again dealing drugs in 1984 and was convicted of another seven years, getting out in 1991. -- Esemono (talk) 12:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article degrading/questionable data

It seems after having really improved a while ago later edits deteriorated the article again, in particular there are questionable numbers like his networth of $52 million. In particular the article does not make clear that this figures are solely based on claims of Lucas himself. Note that the quoted articles itsself just quotes the numbers from Lucas. There is no assessment by a 2nd person. Also a lot of things that Esemono needed to fix recently had been correct in earlier versions.--Kmhkmh (talk) 12:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah this article is a big problem. It gets a lot of vandalism and well meaning users instead of using "undo" to revert the damage edit it piecemeal and lot of times information is lost in the process. Also, many people come here after watching America gangster and add change something that they saw in the movie but which might not be true. -- Esemono (talk) 06:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inspiration for Tom Clancy

It appears that Frank Lucas is used as inspiration for the character Henry Tucker in Tom Clancy's Without Remorse. They share many similalarites including being leading drug kingpins in New York, being Black with Mafia connections, and directly importing the drugs from SE asia in the coffins of dead U.S. Servicemen returing from Vietnam. Does this warrent mentioning in the article? 68.35.125.8 (talk) 07:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)