Talk:Francisco Vázquez de Coronado

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Note: The text has been partially copied from http://www.win.tue.nl/~engels/discovery/coronado.html - this is not a copyright violation since I am the >copyrightholder% of that page myself - Andre Engels

Thank you for donating your text to the Wikipedia. You realize that it is now subject to the GPL and will be (A) mercilessly edited, possibly beyond recogniton and (B) copied and even sold without asking you. I hope that's what you want... --Ed Poor
I've been with Wikipedia long enough to know that, and would not have done this if I had objected. Andre Engels

Andre, thanks for the redirect. --Ed Poor

Might be a silly request, but perhaps I am not the first who wondered. There is a mentioning of a "Cross of Coronado" in popular culture (all right, "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"). However, hints on the topic on the net are scarce, to a degree that I assume Spielberg (or whoever) made the cross up. I understand that Wikipedia is not a movie database, yet I'ld be glad if you could clarify.

-- 84.136.237.133 22:28, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I always thought it was the "Cross of Cortez" but it's been a while since I've seen the Last Crusade. Billy Shears 01:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I just found this.

-- 217.186.53.235 23:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thx! It's been a while since I made the request above, Wikipedia is awesome. :-) --217.189.200.57 00:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry to say that the portrait shown in the article is that of the Duke of Alba, who never had anything to do with Coronado.

The sources (google) [1] say otherwise. Feydey 00:00, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Other sources say he is Fernando de Toledo, 3rd Duke of Alba, who was for a time Governor of the Spanish Netherlands (an infamous character to Belgians and Dutch alike). The portrait was painted by Antonio Moro and is shown in Brussels, in the Musées Royaux d'Art et d'Histoire (www.kmkg-mrah.be/). The same portrait may be found in this article (http://www.el-mundo.es/magazine/2004/264/1097689753.html) about a biography by the famous Hispanist Henry Kamen.

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[edit] Sections?

Thought of adding {{wikify}} to this page... It would be great if it were broken into sections, and some details ironed out (see Hernando de Soto (explorer) page for example), but I don't know enough about the topic...

[edit] Trial?

I believe that Coronado went on trial for torturing and executing the native people to lead him to the gold, cutting off hands, burning at the stake, etc. Not sure if the trial was in Mexico, or back in Spain. Also, believe he was aquitted of all charges, or rather, that even though he did all the things charged, it was deemed acceptable behavior. Can anybody shed some more precise light on this? Thanks. Jimaginator 13:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move to "Coronado expedition"?

IMHO this article is not mainly a biography over de Coronado - it is the story of his famous expedition. I think this page should be moved to "Coronado expedition", or similar. At this title, a shorter biography could be held also including more non-expedition related things. // Habj 00:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, since the article isn't too big, also see Christopher Columbus article - his famous first voyage is in the biography and not a separate article... Nothing stops people in adding more non-expedition related things. feydey 08:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand User:Habj's point. Nonetheless, User:Feydey's answer is right. We should expand the other parts of the article rather than moving this article. If this article gets too big, then the expedition might warrant an article of its own. See the Hernan Cortes article. The major event of his life (the Spanish conquest of Mexico) has been moved out to its own article because it was too long to fit in the Hernan Cortes article.

--Richard 17:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I see you point Richard, but do still not agree since the scope of the article very badly matches the title. It is not inviting people to add non-expedition content; a separate article about de Coronade would. // Habj 13:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I see your point also. The solution then would be to move the article as suggested and then recreate this article as a stub with a link to the Coronado expedition article. I do not object to moving the expedition text to a separate article but I do object to having no entry whatsoever for Coronado.
An alternative to having this article be a stub with a link to the Coronado expedition article would be to have this article redirect there. However, that approach would not encourage editors to add non-expedition info.
--Richard 15:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I concur with Richard's approach: move the bulk of the content over to a Coronado Expedition article, but leave enough behind for a stub-like article on Francisco Vásquez de Coronado. This stub-like article will invite readers to add more biographical information (as you suggest, Habj). Madman 20:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)I tried to do the same as francisco so I became a explorer and explored the grate 7 seas and made my way through japan witch is a really cool place to live

[edit] Winship book

User:John yazzie1963 added a number of notes citing 'Winship'. I converted those notes into footnotes, and found and added to the References section information on a book by George Winship that I think is the one cited by John yazzie1963. I would appreciate it if someone can check that I indeed found the book that is being cited. -- Donald Albury 13:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Possibly misleading phrase about knightood?

I'm thinking about changing the phrase "Coronado, a Knight, was born in Salamanca." This could be interpreted as meaning that Coronado was born a knight. It was my impression that knighthood throughout Christendom was conferred by a noble on an at least semi-adult candidate, rather than being inherited at birth. I'm not sure if Spain followed French and English customs about knighthood, though. Anyone have any information on how Coronado actually became a knight? Pirate Dan (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2008 (UTC)