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[edit] Date of birth: why april. 22, 1181?

Can anyone tell me, what's the source of September 26, 1181 as St. Francis' date of birth? Other Wikipedia articles just say 1181/1182, as do a lot of trustworthy books and sources about St. Francis, e.g.

  • Francis: The Journey and the Dream by Murray Bodo, O.F.M.: "[He] was born in the small town of Assisi in the year 1182." (page 1).
  • The Sun and Moon Over Assisi by Gerard Thomas Straub: "Francis was born in 1182, smack in the middle of an era of heated hostility and confrontation" (page 56).

I'm just curious, because I've never seen such an exact date in any book. Thank you! -- Huttenlocher 22:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of Name

I've added a couple of lines regarding the origin of the pet name 'Francesco'. I was surprised not to see this in the original article.

Best,

David.--Iamlondon 08:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

2/23/08 he was born on April 22 not September 26! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.164.78 (talk) 22:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uselessness

(And if you happened to be wondering why this is such a useless article—see above.) --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Spackman (talk • contribs) Confirmed by Ian Spackman 15:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Well for your information, almost 25 years ago, a Catholic friend gave my parents, a statue of Saint Francis that is still in our garden, not being Catholic, my mom always had to tell me as a child, who Francis was and what he represented(animals, the birds, the enviroment,etc).--Hailey 18:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Learning of St Francis of Assisi

According to Francis of Assisi and his world by Mark Galli, "Francis was never much of a student; he barely learned to read and write, and always preferred to be read to. He wrote even less. As an adult he was considered 'a man without learning', meaning he never undertook advanced studies in theology or law." I would be grateful if we could have sources backing the claim that Francis had a great education. If not forthcoming within a month, I shall change the article accordingly.--File Éireann 22:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Can we add the category:Eck Masters (see ECK_master#Historical_figures_as_ECK_masters) or is the Eckankar religous group too obscure and idiosyncratic? Andries 22:00, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Vittorio Messori claims that Francis served as a military chaplain in the 5th Crusade. Someone who knows more than I should address this... glasperlenspiel 19:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

No, St. Francis never made it across the Mediterranean. He did attempt to negotiate between the sultan of Egypt & the Crusaders, however. wilkyisdashiznit 08:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Also you have to remember a lot of famous people didn't do very well in school like Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison.--Hailey 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Francis became fluent in reading several languages including Latin

Wasn't Latin the native language of his time? Francis of Assisi lived about 100 years before Dante Alighieri... --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.74.194 (talk • contribs)

Well, Latin was not anymore spoken even during the last centuries of the Roman Empire. In 1182, when San Francesco was born, the spoken language in Assisi was a lot closer to the modern Italian than to the ancient Latin. --Folini 18:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I've added information regarding the origin of the name 'Francesco'. I was surprised no one else had enterred this.

His mother was French. After her death Giovanni became known as 'Little Frenchman' in memory of her.

  • Careless errors concerning dates corrected*

[edit] Cultural depictions of Francis of Assisi

I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information. I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list. Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards, Durova 17:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stigmata date

On the article page, in St. Francis' later life, it says:

While he was praying on the mountain of Verna, during a forty day fast for Lent, Francis received the :Stigmata on September 13, 1224, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross

Now, I don't know enough to say if Lent was different back then, but I don't think Lent was in September. Do these two times perhaps come from different stories about when St. Francis received the Stigmata? I just wanted some clarification and change to the article if necessary.--Francis419jn655 01:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Lent was never in September. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, he was keeping "a forty days fast in preparation for Michaelmas". Also, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross is and always has been September 14. The Catholic Encyclopedia merely says that the vision which resulted in the stigmata occurred "on or about the feast of the Exaltation of the Cross (14 September)". Vilĉjo 22:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
There are other details which don't correspond. Someone (an anon) has changed the location of the vision from La Verna to Isola Maggiore. I am changing it back. Also, in the statement "… Thomas told a crowd of Franciscans that he had witnessed this account" the article doesn't say who "Thomas" is. The CathEnc says it was Brother Leo. If this isn't simply vandalism, it needs to have some supporting citations. Vilĉjo 22:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I've left in the quote, though the text didn't indicate where it came from. It may be from Br Leo's account, but I don't have any way of checking that. Vilĉjo 23:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crusaders & Francis

I'm interested in the fact that when Francis returned to the Crusaders after being among the Muslim armies he was labelled a heretic and the Sultan had to intercede to save him. How did this happen? I would have thought a Sultan wouldn't have much sway with the Crusaders. Can anyone elucidate? ThePeg 23:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


Where's the criticism section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.29.13 (talk) 13:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] St Francis and Eucharistic Adoration

The Franciscan archives credit Saint Francis of Assisi for starting Eucharistic adoration in Italy [1] Do any Franciscan experts here have more sources, links, stories to follow this please? If so, it will be worth adding to this page anyway. Please post ideas/suggestions here. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality of Bibliography

The bibliography cites the old Catholic Enc. and mostly Chesterton's biography. Surely this could be better sourced, and therefore richer and deeper.ABShippee (talk) 02:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Arthur Shippee

Working on it...one piece at a time! --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 05:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Francis in Other Media

12.149.131.194 (talk) 05:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)There is an interesting film about Francis called "Brother Son, Sister Moon," that highlights many of the documented accounts of Francis, with a groovy soundtrack by Donovan! I think it's worthy to be added to this article.

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[edit] Remains of St. Francis

I think its surprising that the location of his mortal remains has not been mentioned. His remains currently rest in Goa, India in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anup711 (talk • contribs) 12:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


I'm afraid you are wrong. His remains are in the crypt of the Lower Basilica of St. Francis, Assisi, Italy, as can be seen on this photo
tomb of St. Francis
tomb of St. Francis
JoJan (talk) 14:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for pointing that out.There was some confusion in my mind.Its actually St. Francis Xavier whose remains are in Goa, India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anup711 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)