Talk:François Rabelais

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This article, so far, makes Rabelais sound like a civil libertarian or proponent of free speech. It does not convey the "Rabelaisian wit" at all.

He may have been a keen observor of his time - but so what? Many people are that. A lot of them sit around in doughnut shops, bars, lunch counters, goumet coffee bars, and barber shops. Or shoot pool.

He was an artist, no? Was his writing scandalous at the time? If so, why - specifically?

Needs to be fleshed out in terms of the man as a human being (which would be the basis of the man as a writer).

Contents 1 Removed "Notable Thelemists" 2 formatting 3 fr 4 last words 5 Thomas Urquhart 6 Translation 7 Dates 8 Rabelais and Thelema 9 Other 10 WikiProject class rating 11 In Popular Culture

[edit] Removed "Notable Thelemists"

I removed Rabelais from the category "Notable Thelemists", because that pertains to followers of the 20th century mystic ideas of Aleister Crowley. I trust no one has a problem with the removal of this, but I decided to let everyone know the reason why I removed Rabelais from the category. Canutethegreat (talk) 06:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] formatting

this page badly needs to be formatted

[edit] fr

added links, but to fr: articles : Gryphe & Jambet. --DLL 08:53, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] last words

The article currently gives Rabelais's last words as "I am off in search of a great perhaps"; is there a source for this? The Catholic Encyclopedia has the following to say about his last words:

Statements regarding his last moments are contradictory. . According to some he died as a free-thinker and jester, saying, "Draw the curtain, the farce is played out", according to others his end was Christian and edifying.

-- Cobra libre 17:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Found a reference that has both quotes - Last words of real people - and will insert it. Stellar (talk) 03:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Urquhart

Urquhart is a translator of Gargantua, and therefor cannot be fictional.

[edit] Translation

We need to cite the translation. Rabelais did not write in English, as the quotations imply. We also need a better citation of the source; it is ambiguous as to which of R.'s works the quotations actually come from. Tkinias 16:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

There seems to be a bit of confusion concerning the birth year in the article. According the introduction/header, he was born c. 1494, but in the opening paragraph to the biography, the estimate is changed to 1483. Which one is it? A little consistency would be nice. (207.68.110.54 23:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC))

According to some sources the most probable date of Rabelais' birth was 1483. Irrespective of which date is the most probable one, I strongly propose changing the text so that it mentions both dates, at the very beginning. A proposed way to rewrite the paragraph:

Although the place and date of his birth are not reliably documented, it is probable that François Rabelais was born in 1483 or 1494 near Chinon, Indre-et-Loire, where his father worked as a lawyer^{[citation needed]}.(Desiderius82 (talk) 12:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Rabelais and Thelema

This section begins with a pronoun. I presume "They" must refer to the "Gargantua" series, but I think it needs some work for the sake of clarity. 204.185.19.25 17:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other

"His revolutionary works, although satirical, revealed an astute observer of the social and political events..." The use of "although" in this sentence implies there's some conflict between being a satirist and being an astute observer of social and political events. In fact no qualities could be more crucial to a satirist. Rosekelleher 01:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In Popular Culture

This section is mistitled. Erik Satie, C. F. Pierce, D. H. Lawrence and the name of an Asteroid have nothing to do with "Popular Culture." I can't think of a better title though. Anyone? 68.196.119.5 (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2007 (UTC)