Talk:Fraktur (script)

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Note: dates for "Emperor Maximilian I (1493-1519)" do not match up with dates for Maximilian I: are there two of them?

The dates in this article are the dates he ruled, so I've added an 'r.' to indicate that. -- Someone else 20:23 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

I really don't think "Blackletter" should redirect here... --Furrykef 07:35, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] "More Artificial"

"During that time, new, more artificial Fraktur typefaces were designed". How can a font be "more artificial"? Someone should rewrite this clearer.

I believe that the assertion of typeface commissions for script-hands is quite misleading here sense both Blackletter and Fractura are are formal chancery, They evolved as a natural progression from Gothic and Bastarde. Furthermore, to say that there is any Roman connection or even Caroline per se is gross to the point of insultingly racist and naive.

The Royal Academy has confirmed that the Uncial is of North African origin it evolved into the insular form and later the caroline which benevethian and corbal scripts modified leading to a Gothic quest for a more mechanical and uniform hand. Thus the textura and quadrata terminals and ligatures were modified to clear up the Dominius factor which is the intention of the Bastarde. Independently when writting either the Textura:"web"or Quadrata the letters minu, ominii in dominus becomes obscure.

As for the Roman contention, note in the examples of the Neudorffers A,D,E,F,H,K,M,N,P,Q,T,V, are not based on Roman letters but the Uncial, and likely some Vandels connection post the 3rd Punic War. I can imagine how this might have been a shock to Nazis, but the Fractura was still a common sight during the 2nd World War, and you need only look at roadsigns to confirm that fact. However I am not clear on when the cursive german call Der Kurrant went out of favour and this may be the open Nazi angst. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MicPowell (talk • contribs) 05:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  !941? 1945?

I'm confused by this:

The article says Fraktur was supported by Nazi policy until 1945, but it also says that it was denounced in 1941. Was it only supported by Nazi policy until 1941? -Theshibboleth 8 July 2005 15:45 (UTC)

Perhaps Antiqua-Fraktur_dispute, could help ... --217.231.212.137 23:00, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas Cards?

Is this font (typeface) used sometimes in Christmas Cards? What is a better type face to use that looks 'Old-tyme' Christmassy without the racist conections? --RPlunk 17:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea. Just to remind you: It were the nazis who abolished this script accusing it of being Jewish. ― j. 'mach' wust | ✑ 07:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mein Kampf

Among a number of old German books I have in Fraktur is a copy of Mein Kampf printed in 1935 and identified on the title page as the 151st edition. It seems ironic that the Nazis would actually have banned the font used by their idol in his supposedly seminal — if revolting and essentially unreadable — work. Just an observation. (Let me assure you, this tome interests me only as a historical artifact.) Sca 03:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)