Talk:Four sons of Horus

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Contents 1 Sarcastically?!? 2 No sources! 3 Egyptian artefact type 4 Complete re-edit 5 Merge individual entries for the Four sons ??

[edit] Sarcastically?!?

Ok, I gotta admit, the authors detail and research are commendable. Especially the parellel to the chinese philosophy. The jokes "Broken hearts are caused by women..." That's just funny. Usually opinions entered into articles are done so by weasling but this is done with plain sarcasim that is suprisingly cute but not overwhelming and has actually made my Egyptian research more enjoyable.

--Trey Nitrotoluene 01:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No sources!

These stories behind the names -- it's the first I've ever heard of them -- Qebehsenuef is a reference to poison!? Imseti means kindly one!? Duamutef in reference to his motherland!? ims-ib means kindly -- but that has a different orthography. If there are no sources for any of this, this article should be scrapped. --Cliau 04:33, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree the derivation and meaning of the SoH given here are highly speculative and I intend to update. I would like to know where they came from since I can find no reference to any of this in the books I have read.Apepch7 23:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Egyptian artefact type

This is one of the most common artefact types of Egypt, since so many tombs, and mummies are in museums. I'm pretty sure some great examples (A Picture) of One of the four Canopic jars could be put on this page. Michael intheHOTdesertofYUMA,Az--Mmcannis 13:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

A more appropriate picture would be a group of the 4 jars, good resolution, with the 4 differing lids on the jars.--MichaelinHotYUMA,Az--Mmcannis 17:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I have added some pictures today - but these are the best I have - so if you have better. Apepch7 23:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Complete re-edit

I have completely redone this page but I still have to add references (which are available) and further reading. I liked some of the previous entry especially the link to forms of death but could find no justification for this view in Egyptology which makes it just an opinion not fact.Apepch7 11:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Umm ... the photos you have used are the Canopic Jars at the British Museum which have the heads of Duamutef and Quebesenuef swapped! Apparently they were made that way, but it might confuse people who are learning hieroglyphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamstermoon (talk • contribs) 18:44, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge individual entries for the Four sons ??

I was wondering whether it would make sense to move any information about each of the Four Sons not already in this entry here and then turn the other entries into redirections to here. The reason I think this is that I am not sure there is very much to say about the Four Sons individually rather than as a group.

Molybdomancer 23:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be much in the individual entries that isn't in the main article - except perhaps the names of the seven spirits under Queb. I think your suggestion is a good one. Apepch7 17:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Am guessing that Molybdomancer has already gone ahead with the merger, as there's little extra in the other offshoot articles. I recommend that you keep the links to the individual sons as is though, since more can be written about them outside of the canopic connotations presented here in this article.

Will try to spend some time tonight cleaning up the formatting for the article. Can somebody supply page references for the spells from the Book of the Dead referenced here?

Kudos to Apepch7 for supplying the main photo used at the top of the article. For the record there are others that could also be used on Wikimedia Commons, in a specific category for canopic jars. However the image on the four sons from the tomb of Ay appears to be derived from here, and ought to be removed (it's a good image, but it's arguably a copyright violation).

Cheers! Captmondo 00:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the offending pic - no idea where I got it from probably where you said. Shame because I think its significant link between these deities and the ancient pre-dynastic kings of Upper and Lower Egypt and may explain the jackal/hawk symbolism. Ah well. Apepch7 21:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't disagree with you. Hopefully somebody will make a trip to the tomb of Ay someday, take a (flashless) pic and then post the image to Wikimedia Commons. Will keep an eye out for something else that might be able to used in its place if I run across it. Cheers! Captmondo 23:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)