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Contents 1 Name of the article 2 Biblical significance 3 ...oh, and Muslims like it too... 4 Doubt? 5 Mishna reference in Yoma 5:3

[edit] Name of the article

I was preparing this article as well but you beat me to it! All I can say is that this is the English version of Wikipedia and if something has an English name it should be used. All you are doing by calling it Sakhrah is using an Arabic word for rock, which is in effect another word for stone. You will see that this is how it works, e.g. Dome of the Rock, not Qubbat as-Sakhrah; Temple Mount, not haram es sharif; The Most Holy Place, not Kodesh HaKodshim. The Western Wall, not Kotel Hamaravi. I believe it should be changed. It hardly makes a deference how many people know it as Sakhrah, there was a redirect page. Besides it was know as the foundation stone centuries before Islam and Arabia discovered it. I think the reason why the Kaba is not referred to simply as cube is because the Muslim shrines never were an object of scholarship to the Christian-Judeo civilization of the west. Therefore they took on there local Arabic name. But the rock has been known in Europe as the foundation stone(in the corresponding language), not merely as Sakrah. It is Judaism’s holiest place and should be called Foundation Stone as it has much more significance in Judaism, and this term describes the significance of the stone than the rather mundane ‘Rock’ and if you don’t understand Arabic – Sakrah! Chesdovi 12:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I do not disagree. I personally have never before heard the term "Foundation Stone", nor in fact the Hebrew or Arabic versions. I've always heard it simply referred to as the Rock. I hope that whatever term we might come up with (and I do think that Foundation Stone is the best choice) is respectful and acceptable to people of both faiths. LordAmeth 22:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biblical significance

I have also heard that this same rock may have been the same place that Cain and Abel offered their sacrifices on. Does anyone know of any actual rabbinical citation for this, from the Talmud or Mishnah or anywhere? Thanks. LordAmeth 22:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ...oh, and Muslims like it too...

There's some great work on the significance of the rock to the Jewish religion, but one minor paragraph-section on the religion that presently (literally) surrounds it. I hope someone with knowledge can fix this problem. --Bobak 22:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doubt?

About this line in the article: "Modern Jewish academics list four possible locations of the Foundation Stone:" Where it says "Foundation Stone", shouldn't it say "holiest of holies"? I do not think that there is any doubt about the location of the rock, it's under the dome, right? —The preceding unsigned comment was left by Krazykenny

• There is a rock under the Dome of the Rock, but some Jewish scholars are uncertain whether that very rock is indeed the actual Foundation Stone which may be situated elsewhere, buried beneath the Haram area. The site of the Stone is also the site of the Holy of Holies, wherever it may be located on the Temple Mount. Chesdovi 10:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks man. Still, I don't think that the article is very clear about that.KeNNy 00:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mishna reference in Yoma 5:3

Is not there. English or Hebrew. The article should cite Yoma 5:2, which says:

A.Once the Ark was taken away, there remained a stone from the days of the earlier prophets [אבן הייתה שם מימות נביאים], called Shetiyyah [ושתיה]
B.It was three fingerbredths high.

C. And on it did he put [the fire pan].

I am going to change the reference in the article to reflect the correct passage in Mishna Yoma. Morgaledh 02:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)