User talk:Formulanone

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I tweaked the block for now. Can you please tell me on my userpage where you are editing from? THanks! -- lucasbfr talk 22:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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  • Please review and re-consider! (Of course, this is why I prefer that only registered users can edit Wikipedia, but that is not the topic at hand!)

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[edit] Template: Racing car

Hi - thanks for your work on F1 pages.

You may want to use template:Racing car to put the appropriate information for McLaren MP4/3 in an infobox. You can see examples of it in use at Brabham BT46 and Sauber C20. Contact me at my talk page if you want a hand with it. 4u1e 21:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Thank you! I was searching for something like this. Formulanone 22:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A belated Welcome!

Welcome!

Hello, Formulanone, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions.

Well done on pitching in on the Formula One articles, always good to get some more input, especially from USA-based editors who seem perhaps under represented so far. Take a quick read through the links above, although it seems as though you have a firm grasp of the basics already! Once again, welcome! Pyrope 22:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] pupik ?

--SportWagon 08:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Formulanone 20:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Sí. Should I put the GT-related template on my talk page, then?

My User Page has a GT user box. I had the GT logo in there for a while, but PTB seem worried about user pages not being fair use for such registered trademark images. Duh. I actually hadn't noticed your home page link.--SportWagon 17:38, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Going from memory

Fair point, although you must admit 1986 is much closer to the right year than 1964! ;-) 4u1e 21:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

  • I was always under the impression (from what I've read) is that the Tag-Porsche engine wasn't really a Porsche engine, but something McLaren financed and TAG engineered (or maybe the other way around)...Porsche just came along for development, and stuck around while the project was doing well. If I dig up my copy of Doug Nye's McLaren: The Formula and Can-Am and Indy cars I'll get it right once and for all! (Then again, 1987 almost appeared as if there was no true development.) Formulanone 22:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • '86 (as I wrote incorrectly) was meant to be the final year of its use. Regarding Porsche's involvement in the project, sources may differ, but for example:
"Even as the design of the MP4 was being finalised [in early 1981], it was becoming clear that the days of the Cosworth DFV were numbered.
"It was one thing to believe a turbo engine was necessary for the future, and quite another to obtain one. ...
"...[John] Barnard disliked the compromise inherent in designing a chassis around an existing engine. Rather, he had in mind an integrated package which would be the ultimate ground effect machine. This vision, however, required a bespoke engine and the problem was who could, and would build it.
"[Ron] Dennis ... was soon engaged in discussions with a number of possible sources of [engine] supply, including Honda, Toyota and General Motors. Cosworth Engineering was also approached, and was prepared in principle to undertake a commission to design a new engine but its declared lead time to produce it was unacceptably long.
"Dennis then approached Porsche, which operates an engineering consultancy division.
"...Porsche had unrivalled experience of turbocharging, had excellent relationships with key suppliers of ancillaries, and as the paying customer [McLaren International (M.I.)] would be able to insist on the basic package. An approach was made in August 1981 and Porsche listened with interest for it was being offered a chance to enter Formula One with someone else paying.
"[Removed digression on proposed lead time]...on October 12 a contract was signed to cover the first, six month, phase of development and work began at Weissach under the direction of Porsche's chief racing car designer, Dipl. Ing. Hans Mezger. McLaren's existing sponsors underwrote the first stage of development but it was up to Dennis to find the backing to implement the remaining work. As a precaution there were clauses in the contract which made the work the exclusive property of M.I. so had he failed to find a further sponsor no other team could have taken over the project.
"...[Dennis] had formed a relationship with TAG (Techniques d'Avant Garde) a company which had been established in 1977 to 'institutionalize commercial activities between Europe and the Middle East (i.e. to invest Saudi oil revenues). ... It was a new company, TAG Turbo engines, which signed the contract with Porsche to instigate Phase Two of the programme and it would be TTE which would sell engines to McLaren International." From The 1000 BHP Grand Prix Cars (1988) by Bamsey et al. p.130.
In other words: Barnard laid out the basic parameters. Porsche did all the design. McLaren (using existing sponsorship money) funded the first phase of development. TAG then funded the second phase, hence the attachment of their name to the unit. I don't think I've edited out anything relevant - but if you're suspicious of any of the gaps (...) or editorial changes ([]), let me know. Hope that's helpful! Cheers. 4u1e 09:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)