Talk:Forodwaith

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In J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, The Northern Waste is an icy region in the far north of Middle-earth. Little is known about the region, but it does contain life. The Cold Drakes of the North attack the Dwarves of the Grey Mountains in 2510 T.A, killing one of the Dwarven leaders outside the gates. The Dwarves then fled to the Iron Hills and Erebor. It is possible that the Goblins and Hobgoblins of the Misty Mountains drove out the Dragons when they colonized the Ered Mithrin. Dragons were not all that lived up in the wastes of the North. It is said that men also dwelt up there in tribes and were often fighting with the men of Forochel. It is also possible that this is where the snow-trolls that are almost a complete myth dwell there. The only inference of their existence is on the Horn of Helms Deep; it has an encryption of a snow-troll on the side of it (citation needed). It is also said that the Witch-king of Angmar gathered men from the Northern Waste called the Lossoth to aid him in the destruction of Eriador. The Lossoth of the waste were much more hostile than the Lossoth of Forochel and Forodwaith. The different tribes have been at constant war with eachother. The Men of the waste most likely made peace with the King of Gondor on his return to Arnor, and the Dwarves reclaimed their home in the Grey Mountains.

I think some of this stuff is from the Jackson films. Carcharoth 01:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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So in which book does The Northern Waste appear? (if any?) --Fang Aili ^talk 16:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the phrase "northern waste" appears in Frodo's lament for Gandalf: "From Wilderland to Western shore, from northern waste to southern hill, through dragon-lair and hidden door and darkling woods he walked at will." The phrase "wastes of the North" appears in Gandalf's comment about Aragorn's ancestors: "For if ever a fruit ripens, it should be planted, lest the line die out of the world. Here it has lain, hidden on the mountain, even as the race of Elendil lay hidden in the wastes of the North." (but here, this refers to the northern wastes of Arnor) - so, it looks like the phrase "northern waste" is not used enough to warrant a mention. It does occur in the Appendices: "But Thorin I his son removed and went into the far North to the Grey Mountains, where most of Durin's folk were now gathering; for those mountains were rich and little explored. But there were dragons in the wastes beyond" - I think the current descriptions here conflate the Withered Heath (mentioned a few times in The Hobbit - "the Withered Heath where the great dragons bred" and "The wind was on the withered heath, but in the forest stirred no leaf") and the Forodwaith (land of the Lossoth). The Forodwaith (compare with Enedwaith and Haradwaith) is mentioned in a footnote in the Appendices: "the Forodwaith, Men of far-off days, accustomed to the bitter colds of the realm of Morgoth" , and this seems to be linked to a bit from The Silmarillion: "In the north of the world Melkor had in the ages past reared Ered Engrin, the Iron Mountains, as a fence to his citadel of Utumno; and they stood upon the borders of the regions of everlasting cold". Based on all that, I'm going to merge the content here to other places. Not quite sure where to leave the redirect pointing to though! Maybe set up a disambiguation page? Carcharoth 01:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Forodwaith translates as 'Northern Waste', so I'll redirect it there. Carcharoth 01:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Moved here by Carcharoth 01:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)