Talk:Former countries in Europe after 1815

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to be added:

• Bessarabia - October 1917 - April 1918 (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Principality of Pindo - 1940 - 1947 (added 31-08-2005, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

bogdan | ^Talk 21:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Also:

• Principality of Wallachia (up to 1859) (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Principality of Moldavia (up to 1859) (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• United Romanian Principalities (Principatele Unite Române) (1859 - 1862) -- was something like a confederation, with two governments, one at Bucharest and one at Iaşi, but one Prince (Alexandru Ioan Cuza); in 1862, they were unified in one country with one government. bogdan | ^Talk 16:01, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

But these were not independent states. Independence was proclaimed in 1877. Electionworld 21:22, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

But unlike Serbia or Greece, they were not Ottoman Empire provinces ("Pashaliks") i.e. they used a Romanian administration. AFAIK, the only thing decided by the Turks was the foreign politics. Anyway, parts of Wallachia were "independent" during the 1821 and the 1848 revolutions. bogdan | ^Talk 21:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Transnistria (since 1990) - de facto independent, de jure part of Moldova. bogdan | ^Talk 08:25, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

This is not (yet) a former country, so as long as it is limited to former countries it shouldn't be listed. Electionworld 11:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Right. :-) bogdan | ^Talk 11:53, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Countries that regained independence 2 Plan to include also present-day countries 3 Bavarian Soviet Republic 4 This should also be added:

[edit] Countries that regained independence

Slovakia was added. This implies that a country is added, that is now independent again. here is no objection to that, but it means that some other entities have to be added (Electionworld 06:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)):

• Armenia (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Azerbaijan (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Belarus (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Bessarabia, Moldavia = Moldova~(added 31-8-2005 as Moldavia, Electionworld 12:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

  They don't have the same borders. Moldova includes Transnistria (back in 1918 was part of USSR), but does not include Southern Bessarabia (Ismail and Cetatea Albă) and Herţa/Hotin (in North) regions, which are now part of Ukraine. bogdan | ^Talk 13:17, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

  I know, therefore it is listed as Moldavia and is mentioned that it is partially part of Ukraine. Electionworld 14:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

• Croatia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Estonia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Latvia (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Lithuania (added 1-9-2005, Electionworld 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC))
• Russian Empire (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))
• Ukraine (added 31-8-2005, Electionworld 22:25, 31 August 2005 (UTC))

This is a very difficult topic (and every single country is a specific case) but basically, WWII Slovakia had nothing in common with the current country, neither legally nor (to a large extent) territorially, besides the name and the language. I suggest adding as much countries as possible...Juro 01:46, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Plan to include also present-day countries

I plan to add also the present-day countries in the upcoming period. I created therefore a sandbox. When ready, the entry will be renamed into Countries in Europe after 1815.Electionworld 20:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I think that we need an article like this one. If you want to include present-day countries, make a new article, but don't rename this one. -- Obradović Goran (ta^lk 03:18, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bavarian Soviet Republic

Also Bavarian Soviet Republic should be added -- a short-lived revolutionary state. bogdan | ^Talk 15:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

...and the Hungarian Soviet Republic and Slovak Soviet Republic Juro 23:34, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Bavaria could be added, but not the HSR and SSR, since these were counter-governments, not an attemot for a separate state. Electionworld 20:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

THe SSR was as much an attempt for a separate state (as the name suggests) as the BSR, the HSR is disputable of course given the complicated circumstances at that time...But I think, the best solution for such lists is to add as much as possible. Juro 22:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

The Munich Soviet Republic was a counter-government as well. Since the article is called "former countries", I would propose to remove them. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 14:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree. —Nightstallion (?) 21:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This should also be added:

Labin Republic

Added, however by the above discussion I am unsure if it belongs here... as it could be construed as an anti government resistance. --Dex1337 04:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)