Talk:Forgotten Corner of Cornwall

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Is there any evidence that this is an official name? I'm Cornish and I've never heard it. If it's not then it shouldn't be used as the title of an article. It sounds to me like a tourist brochure title. -- Necrothesp 12:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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It has been a well used name by residents of this area since the 1960s. It is used on many postcards of the area, and is undergoing a higher profile locally, as tourist sites like Eden Project, Lost Gardens of Heligan, Newquay and as well as EC investment takes money away from this part of Cornwall.

With regard to the name, it is no more or less 'official' than Rame peninsula, Penwith peninsula or the 'golden triangle' of Falmouth, Truro and Newquay. The phrase 'golden triangle' in Cornwall is increasingly used in the local press, but does it make it official or not?

With regard to you not having heard of it - that proves the point that the area is 'forgotten'! Most residents of Cornwall, particularly from the north, mid and west of the Cornwall have not discovered it yet. It is more well known amongst residents of Plymouth than it is of residents of Cornwall.

Tinminer 15:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I live in West Cornwall, but personally 'discovered' this area only a few years ago, despite having lived in Cornwall for over 25 years. Needless to say, I try to get to this part of Cornwall as often as I can.

Tinminer 15:28, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean I haven't heard of the area. I know it well. I grew up in a village between Launceston and Liskeard and went to school in Plymouth. But I'd call the area you seem to be referring to the Rame Peninsula. You say "Forgotten Corner of Cornwall" is no more or less official, but that's untrue: Rame Peninsula is a proper name, Forgotten Cornwall of Cornwall is an unofficial tag. And the Rame Peninsula already has an article, which this one seems to be duplicating. As I said, to me this sounds like a tagline from a tourist brochure, which is what I suspect it actually is. I think the info here should be merged into Rame Peninsula - there's no point in having two articles on what seems to be the same area. After all, we wouldn't call an article about Kent "Garden of England" - we'd give it its proper name and create a redirect (as has actually been done). -- Necrothesp 17:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I have added additional referrences and links about Forgotten Corner; as you can see it has been referred to many times over the years. It covers a bigger area than just the Rame peninsula, as it includes places like Seaton and Downderry, as well as Polbathic which are not on the peninsula, but are usually referred to as being in the Forgotten Corner.I am not aware of any tourist brochure which calls itself Forgotten Corner of Cornwall, but I could be wrong. See Mike Carne's book (Cornwall's Forgotten Corner- including Cawsand, Kingsand, Milbrook, St John & Sheviock, Rame, Tony Carne (1985) 132 p. [ISBN: 0 946143 13 7]), which highlights the origins of the nomenclature, but I think it is now out of print, though probably available from second hand bookshops in Cornwall and elsewhere. Tinminer 17:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's forgotten about Seaton and Downderry - they're thriving tourist areas. I've been there many times and they're always packed in season! I have to say that I still don't think this is an appropriate title for an article because it's not an official geographical area - just because it makes for a good tagline for a book or article doesn't make it worthy of a Wikipedia article. I wouldn't say "I'm going down to the Forgotten Corner for a few days", and I doubt many other people would either. -- Necrothesp 18:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I have just looked at Kent - there is only one sentence on the Garden of England - I would have thought it merits an entirely seperate article as it is so well known amongst foreign tourists - the history of the term Garden of England is entirely seperate to the history of Kent. The article Forgotten Corner of Cornwall does not claim to cover exact geographical area - rather to point out that an area of Cornwall, which includes the Rame Peninsula is known as forgotten by its residents (and not tourists). The fact that it is referred to by Cornwall County Council as such proves that the term is recognised politically. Off topic, I know, but I have never seen Seaton or Downderry as busy as Perranporth, Padstow, Harlyn Bay, Carbis Bay or hundreds of other places in Cornwall which lie outside of the forgotten corner area. Content about why this area is 'forgotten' could not be merged with the Rame Peninsula, as the forgotten corner covers a bigger area, and it is not specific to the Rame Peninsula. Tinminer 18:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Forgotten Corner itself is not designated as an AONB

The web site on the Cornwall Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, http://www.cornwall-aonb.gov.uk, has no reference to Forgotten Corner of Cornwall that I could find. See [1] for a map of the patches of land that are officially in the AONB. I suggest that the sentence identifying the Forgotten Corner itself as an AONB be removed. EdJohnston 02:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)