Talk:Foreign relations of the Republic of Kosovo

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to merge. The merge proposal was rejected. Bring up new proposals in light of the below comments. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 00:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

PROPOSAL
Please There is no point in having two articles and there is not enough content to justify a split. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:32, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Merge to 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence seems more logical.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

  Precedent There will inevitably be a page just for their foreign relations (like hundreds of other Foreign relations of X articles), and the independence article is getting bloated as is. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. The declaration of independence just happened today, and the UN and EU are still debating the issue. I urge that you allow events to unfold first before trying to scrap the list. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 23:50, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

  Oppose what? A merge of these two articles in question, or a merge to the declaration of independence article? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 23:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

  Corrected. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 00:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong oppose as per HM. J Milburn (talk) 00:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose for now. This list is the key thing people are interested in on this subject at the moment. Just make sure it has all the relevent links for now, then probably merge with something later.

IceDragon64 (talk) 00:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. Maybe in the future. Limongi (talk) 00:47, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose for now. The time to do this tidy up is a bit later, not in the hea fo the moment. That would be putting tidiness before relevance and currency.--Richardb43 (talk) 01:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge The Foreign relations of Montenegro article combines a list of the international organizations and nation states that formally recognize Montenegro. I see no reason why the Foreign relations of Kosovo article can't follow this model. --Tocino 03:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge as per Tocino. --Prevalis (talk) 04:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong oppose per IceDragon64, and please get that ugly merger tag off the page! The Montenegro article was too long with all those links, and horribly slow to load. Lampman (talk) 04:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge the list to foreign relations of Kosovo per Montenegro. —Nightstallion 09:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose, as the article covering the international response is basically a long list of opinions of states and organisations regarding Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. --Camptown (talk) 10:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose in is a good idea, but you should wait for a month or so :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.92.197 (talk) 00:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose for now as per [User:Hemlock Martinis|Hemlock Martinis]] and per Richardb43. Alexsmail (talk) 11:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose per Hemlock Martinis. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge per Tocino. The list is an extension of the foreign policy topic and one page can handle both easily. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 12:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - as long as the process is going on. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - It's impossible to know right now how large the article of the reactions will become. We might have to unmerge them back. Gothbag (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - wait until we have final or close to final picture and then take final desision of merger of not. M.K. (talk) 19:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose Foreign relations are how Kosovo associates with other nations, whether independent or not. A subnational entity can have separate foreign relations with third countries (e.g. Quebec may have 'foreign relations' with France, for instance, that go beyond Canada's foreign relations with France). Recognition is which countries recognize Kosovo as independent. I can't but see these two topics as completely separate. --NellieBly (talk) 21:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose merge. Foreign relations of Kosovo, 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence, and International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence (formerly titled List of states that have recognized the Republic of Kosovo are all significant enough to stand as separate articles. Foreign relations of Kosovo isn't that well-referenced or complete yet, but it can be, and it is an important enough subject for an article that it can't be merged anywhere else. Superm401 - Talk 22:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - let's let the dust settle a bit first.--RobNS 00:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - this is still developing. Hobartimus (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - Its a bit too early to merge these 2 articles when the majority of the world's states haven't decided on Kosovo's independence. Wait for maybe 2-3 weeks when emotions calm down and states behave more rationally and then we'll see. Leoboudv (talk) 06:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge at some later stage, merge also Kosovo status process, although it is no hurry to merge. Wait till it has settled more. --Oddeivind (talk) 07:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is very dynamic and important issue. Merger should be discussed at a later date --Trigor (talk) 01:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose Merge -- There is now a direct link to the specific International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence currently posted on the front page of Wikipedia. While it is true that Montenegro's international recognitions were posted directly on its foreign relations page, Kosovo's independence is much trickier and more controversial. Unlike Montenegro, many more countries are opposing Kosovo's independence for various reasons. It makes for a dynamic separate articleScanlan (talk) 04:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. As long as nations are actively debating whether or not to recognize Kosovo, the recognition page should remain separate. When things cool down a bit, I'd be willing to entertain another merger proposal. Lovelac7 04:22, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose The stated opinions of national governments regarding Kosovan independence is of wider interest than just the consequences for Kosovan foreign policy. It is a valuable historic overview, especially when the next state or statelet in the world will declare independence. jax (talk) 10:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
• Merge The scope of International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence is political soap opera. What does not fit in Foreign relations of Kosovo, fits in 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. Too many articles with too many details will lead to biased information Klungel (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Could we not have straw polls at two places at the same time? —Kurykh 00:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

The two articles should never be merged because the article International reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence‎ in future will remain as a historical document to the response of Kosovo Independence. The foreign relation article will not be able to document the international facts in details. So the two articles should never be merged. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

When Montenegro became independent, all the recognitions and establishments of diplomatic relations and embassies were noted in foreign relations of Montenegro; I see no reason why the article foreign relations of Kosovo can't serve in the same way. —Nightstallion 17:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• Montenegro's independent wasn't nearly as controversial, hence diplomatic recognition was not important enough to merit its own article. Lovelac7 04:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Emerging consensus?

Maybe It seems like the consensus is to merge in a little while, so I guess a week or so? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 02:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

• I'd wait at least a month, but let's see what happens. Lovelac7 04:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Sounds fair to me -- it'll take about a month to cool down, I expect. —Nightstallion 09:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I'd be happy to have it closed then automatically re-open it at a near future date. How about exactly one month? I expect the "planning to recognize" countries will all be in the "formally recognize" section by then, so we'd be able to make a more accurate assessment. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 19:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.