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  • The entire article needs to reference each and every fact from credible sources.
  • An image is needed for each significant model (not just minor cosmetic updates).
  • If a section becomes to long, it should probably be split into a separate article (e.g. EA Falcon).
  • The entire article needs to be copyedited for instances of bad prose, poor spelling and grammar, wikilinks, etc.
  • The lead must more adequately summarise the article body.
  • More links need to be created in the "See also" section (e.g. Ford Australia).
  • The article should be of a GA-class rating.
  • The exports section needs to be slimmed down in some areas, and expanded in others.
  • The whole article needs to be tidied up and made to look presentable
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[edit] Argentina

Is this the same Ford Falcon that has an infamous history of use by death squads in Argentina? If so the name should not escape the history. 67.53.78.15 03:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

See Ford Falcon (Argentina). Grant | Talk 05:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, yes. Silly me. I should try more searches in the future 67.53.78.15 16:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fog of War

The Fog of War features Mr. McNamara talking about his time at Ford Motor Co, including the genesis of the Ford Falcon. Perhaps it should be mentioned here?

See the disambig and the previous comment, this is about the long-lived Australian version, not the Argentinian Death Squads or the former Secretary of Defense. Ford Falcon (North American) would be more appropriate. Karldoh 23:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EB II - ED Falcons

The EB II and the ED falcons are exactly the same car, albeit with a slightly different grill and a handful of options as standard. The big change in the EA-ED shaped cars was the introduction of the EB series II- Not the introduction of the ED. The EB series one has an awful lot in common with the last of the EA's. The introduction of the EB II in October 1992 was the point where the major faults of the EA were rectified, and only purely superficial changes were made until the introduction of the EF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.70.88 (talk • contribs)

You have a point, but that is no reason not to include the ED section. Even though the cars are so similar, they are still not the same. And besides there is only a short paragraph on the ED section anyway. OSX (talk • contributions) 10:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lies and drivel

"The radically redesigned Ford AU Falcon released in 1998, came after failed attempts to replace the Falcon with the American-sourced Ford Taurus"

There was no realistic plan to replace Falcon by Taurus. Q How do you replace a car with a base price of $25000 with a $35000 replacement that is smaller, can't tow, and is slower? A only a journalist would know how.

"The only exception was the XF series, which lasted through the initial EA26 era due to the perceived unreliabity of the base EA model."

Absolutely untrue. The reliability of EA became apparent long after the decision to keep the XF ute.

Greglocock 11:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Could you provide a source to backup your statement? OSX (talk • contributions) 05:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

No, otherwise I would have edited the article appropriately. As it is probably the best thing to do would be to remove the offending sentences. Greglocock 07:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

You may want to look at this: http://glassguide.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RT/A3099F03533DD3B2CA256D6E001DE35F_Our+Opinion?OpenDocument , which states "Then came the radical 1996 Taurus MK2. Under pressure from the US, Ford Australia almost replaced the local Falcon with this car until the AU Falcon proposal narrowly beat it.". OSX (talk • contributions) 08:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Suppose an anonymous journo writes in a referenceless article "In 1997 according there was a proposal to rebadge Commodores as Fairmont Ghias" . Would that go into the article? I would not be able to find a contradiction to that claim. Greglocock 00:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've found a publically available source that comes close to the truth. And have edited the article to suit. The weasel words in the quote are 'almost' and 'narrowly'. They looked at it because Dearborn told them to. The experience with selling Taurus in Oz was enought to expose the likley problems.Greglocock 23:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
So it wasn't "Lies and drivel" then? Perhaps next time take a more diplomatic angle when bringing up someones work on wiki. :)
CHSoarer 12:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps. There again if I think it is lies and drivel I'll continue to say so. As written it was drivel, the emphasis was ridiculous and lies, because the implication was false. So, CHSoarer, you're a big fan of weasel words, spin and misdirection? Greglocock 23:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Although I'm not really interested in getting into an argument on a wiki talk page I'd just like to point out I didn't start the heading named "lies and drivel" that turned out to be at least half-truth in your own admission. Perhaps you yourself are a fan of said spin and misdirection albeit only when posting in talk pages?
CHSoarer 10:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems with this article

I found the following problems with this article:

  • In the introduction please briefly mention the short history in America the Falcon had. The introduction mentions it but it does no tell the reader why it came over here. It also does not mention its main competitor the Holden Commodore and other competitors.
Yet oddly the articles that are linked from that change do not mention the Falcon as being a main competitor. Greglocock 23:38, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

* In the second paragraph it states “Ford has manufactured over three million units since 1960, and has topped the sales charts in Australia on many occasions.” How do we know if that is true? We need references to back that statement up. See Reference 1. Harrison-HB4026 09:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

  • In the third paragraph it states that the Falcon is the basis for the Fairlane/LTD models, but it must say that the Fairlane/LTD models have been discontinued instead of saying the Fairlane/LTD is still in production thanks to the Falcon.
Why would it say that? LWB is still in production as of today's date.Greglocock 04:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • The introduction generally needs more work.
  • Try to keep the pictures on one side instead of all over the place it confuses the reader.
  • More references are needed for the article especially in the first 2-4 sections, as the article moves to the bottom it seems that more references are there this is good but we need references all throughout the article not just in one certain area.
  • The first and second sections don’t have the model as the sub-heading. It must look like the third section which has the “Third generation (1972–1979)” as the heading and then the “XA-XC” as the sub-heading, the first and second section don’t have these proper headings.
  • More pictures are needed throughout this article.
  • Try adding just a few External Links at the bottom.

The points above were listed by Senators and if you have any questions or queries just leave a message on his talk page.SenatorsTalk | Contribs 23:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Popular culture reference

Someone should mention that this car was made somewhat famous in the Mad Max movie series. There are even body kits available to modify an XB to look exactly as it did in the movies. And those kits are even available in the USA. I am sure there are other pop culture references besides Mad Max. Thaddeusw 05:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Pop culture and trivia sections are generally being removed from wiki articles in accordance with the guidelines. WP:TRIV Greglocock 06:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


Here is an article on the pop culture part http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fv20071111pl.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.108.16.189 (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notes and References

Looks like I need some help in getting the Notes and Refrences to work properly. I thought it was working OK until I saw that my Edit actions in XL, XM, XP etc had created multiple entries for "The Austalian Ford Falcon Collection, © 1989" under Notes and References. Apologies for these duplications and thanks in advance for any help offered.

GTHO 03:30, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Theres no need to be sorry for citing sources, thats something we need more of. Anyway, I've fixed up the references for you, and if you have any future issues, please do not hesitate to ask. Regards OSX (talk • contributions) 06:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help me!

1) Anyone can give me some pictures of the EA Falcon (I'm not australian)?
2) Who knows the measures of the wagon? I wrote only the sedan's.
Thank you!Jacopobenz 13:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Images of the EA can be found here, and the station wagon's dimensions here. OSX (talk • contributions) 08:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)