Talk:Forced sex fantasy
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[edit] Consenting Adults
Are we absolutely sure that role-played rape fantasy can, by definition, only occur between "adults"? It seems like the article is trying to be politically correct, and letting PC override objectivity. It seems NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.153.0.24 (talk) 03:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
- Well if it involved underage children, or non-consenting adults, it would be actual rape, and not a rape fantasy. Mdwh 23:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
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- I think it was only the term "adults" (which is usually defined as "non-minors", and often implies those above the age of 18 or above the age of 21, those concepts coincidentally not always in line with each other, since sexual age of consent is frequently a lower than 21 and sometimes even lower than 18) that they found a little... off. It is technically true actually that two minors, in some jurisdictions at least, or two teenagers above say, 16 (and therefore above the age of sexual consent in most areas of the U.S. and U.K, but not legally a full-fledged adult nor societally considered an adult in many situations) could legally engage in it by consent with each other without it being defined as "rape". The solution I think - to be 100% neutral and accurate at the same time - would be to change the word "adults" to "individuals" in the phrase "consenting adults". I mean, there's nothing really wrong with saying "individuals" instead, after all, and it really would be accurate in all senses. Even if it's a little picky, but hey, picky isn't always bad since accuracy = good on Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.22.61 (talk) 20:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move
Can I ask why this was moved from Rape fantasy? I presume this was meant to be moved to Consensual forced fantasy? Even so, that term seems to be a neologism, I feel the term "rape fantasy" was better and more widely used. Mdwh 18:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
The word "rape" strongly implies non-consensual force. I think using a term like consensual force is much more neutral and accurate depiction of the topic of the article. Or do you have other ideas?--Sonjaaa 19:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Rape fantasy is a far more common term, regardless of how inaccurate it may be in some contexts (in others, it's appropriate though - for instance, many erotica or romance stories involve an initially if not wholly non-consensual act, but end with the heroine in love with her rapist. Yes, I find it kind of odd too, but it's actually fairly common on some archives...). That said, so long as "rape fantasy" forwards to this article and this article covers all the usages of "rape fantasy", I don't really have too big a problem with it, personally. :) Even if the term "consensual force fantasy" seems a little pompous. "Consensual forced fantasy" though, doesn't sound accurate to what it's describing, or even particularly sensical, as grammatically it could easily be interpreted as consenting to have a fantasy forced on you - as opposed to a fantasy about something being forced on you or whatnot (or "forced" in satirical quotes, to be entirely accurate, though...). At least the current title makes coherent grammatical sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.238.22.61 (talk) 20:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
- The fantasies described in the article are widely known as "rape fantasies". In contrast, no one calls them "consensual force fantasies". Even if it were true that Sonjaaa's invented neologism were "more neutral and accurate" -- an assertion with which I disagree -- that would not be sufficient argument for moving the article from the common term to an invented neologism.
- For describing one variety of what falls under the general term "rape fantasy" -- i.e., consenting partners roleplaying a scenario in which force is used -- then perhaps "consensual force fantasy" makes sense. But the term is confusing and misleading as applied to the general phenomenon -- when a man or a woman lies on their bed alone and fantasizes a scenario of being nonconsentually subjected to forcible sex, how are we to understand "consensual force fantasy" to apply? In the fantasy world, there is no consent; in the real world, there is no other person to consent with.
- I highly suggest that this article be moved back to the title rape fantasy. Frankly, I think it reflects poorly on Wikipedia that it's been allowed to stay under a neologism title for almost three months. -- 192.250.34.161 14:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
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- For what it's worth, I've been working on sexual fantasy for a while and I've always read it as "Forced sex fantasy."-Wafulz (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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- I've come back to this page after a while, and I'm still a bit uneasy with the section suggesting that rape fantasy is a possible 'treatment' for trauma left over from previous real assaults. It does look a bit like 'apologia in advance'. Someone very close to me was sexually abused as a young girl, and she says that the only real 'closure' from the residual trauma would be to (30 years later) drop a large concrete paving slab on his head from a sixth floor balcony. The woman concerned does admit to having a mild rape fantasy, but it's more related to the fictional romantic 'bodice-ripper' scenario than anything 'real'. 160.84.253.241 (talk) 12:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Move to "Forced sex fantasy"
The scientific literature I've read has almost always referred to the phenomenon as "forced sex fantasy" because it is broader and includes things like coercion or seduction. I think "forced sex fantasy" is a better title.-Wafulz (talk) 15:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Can't rape the willing"
There should be something written of the philosophical paradox wherein the common idiom is found that one "cannot rape the willing" 67.5.156.242 (talk) 10:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
