Talk:Football League First Division

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It doesn't seem especially useful to have a list of winners of the old and new first divisions on the same page. We would do better to have a list of winners of the old first division and the premier league. Same goes for other divisions also. Morwen - Talk 00:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I did this - see Talk:Football_in_England for my comments. Morwen - Talk 14:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FA Premier League

I've reverted User:Pal's edit redirecting this article to FA Premier League: The First Division and the Premier League are not the same thing. The First Division predates the Premiership by over a 100 years, and between 1992 and 2004 was an entirely separate competition that ran in parallel. In articles wikilinking to the First Division that refer to its incarnation before 1992, it makes no sense to redirect them to the FA Premier League article, as it did not exist then; references to it between 1992 and 2004 are on the other hand, it is entirely erroneous. Qwghlm 07:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying they're the same thing, but given that the Football League First Division has basically no content (more or less just links to other articles), there's no reason it couldn't be included in the FA Premier League article's history section since the FAPL is the continuation of the top flight. While the First Division's history could be expanded here, it's already thoroughy covered in the Football in England article, so we'd just be duplicating existing content. - Pal 12:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

There is some history of the First Division in the Football in England article but it is bundled up with other competitions and historical events; a separate article is still viable option. You're right in saying this article is shot and not very good, but that should mean a rewrite and expansion, rather than merging it, which implies the First Division & Premier League are/were one and same. Would you at least bear with me while I try to improve this article? Qwghlm 13:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Since you are willing to expand this article I'll certainly drop my suggestion that the article be merged. - Pal 14:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)