User talk:Folks at 137

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[edit] Rhineland Campaing

Please see Talk:Drive to the Siegfried Line and discuss you ideas there before changing Rhineland Campaign from a redirect --Philip Baird Shearer 14:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Edits to a page are not lost just hidden. One can always retrieve a version throught the history tab. Then edit the old version, cut and past it to another place, or save it on-top of the current version. If someone then does that to your retrieved version and resaves the last version it is called a reverse. If you then do the same back it is called "an edit war" and becomes a waste of time for everyone who joins in. --Philip Baird Shearer 17:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Montgomery

Thanks for the response on the discussion page. I'll be the first to admit it's very difficult to write anything neutral about Monty. But the challenge shouldn't stop us. I appreciate the dialogue. DMorpheus 20:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


"Recent historians also point out that Allied armies were drawn from populations that were less militaristic than the Germans and this difference repeatedly showed up in German skill and determination in critical situations."

This is a pretty broad statement that is bound to generate discussion, but its not really necessary to the article anyway, IMO.

"Montgomery bitterly resented this change, even though it had been agreed before the D-Day invasion, and it probably influenced his subsequent behaviour and decisions"

While I think it’s true that he resented the change (who wouldn’t? He was human) the second part of the sentence is speculation. I suggest putting a period after the word 'invasion'.

"Allied victory - if recovery from an avoidable defeat can be so described - at the Battle of the Bulge"

This is definitely POV and an inaccurate swipe at the US Army. Again though, even if you disagree, it's not necessary to the article.

"Monty supported his American formations; the Army commanders Hodges and Simpson were glad for this. The battlefront was reorganised, reinforced and supplied. The three generals then waited for the Germans to exhaust themselves - an approach shared by Patton who believed that the more the Germans advanced, the more they would eventually lose. This waiting for the right moment did not appeal to Bradley or Hodges, however"

Bradley and Patton manifestly did NOT share the same approach as Montgomery. Patton agreed that the Germans should be allowed to advance – he famously argued that they should be allowed to go all the way to Paris – but did *not* agree that the Allies should wait to counterattack. He gave warning orders to his staff as early as Dec 17 to prepare a counterattack into the flank of the german penetration. That is why he was able to attack with three divisions on Dec 19 and relieve Bastogne on Dec 25. He didn't wait for the Germans to exhaust themselves at all. Bradlye fully and strongly supported this approach, if for no other reason than to redeem himself to Eisenhower.
Montgomery *was* supportive of the US commanders and his order to evacuate St Vith was correct. It probably saved elements of two US Divisions. But his approach of waiting until the German advance slowed was very different from the approach taken by 12th US Army group. It was the press conference that really generated the anger, much more than anything he actually did operationally.
Just noticed the reference to the clearing of the Scheldt estuary and the effects this had. I am not sure if you mean to say that the failure to clear the Scheldt prevented the use of Antwerp (which it did) or Rotterdam (not sure how it could have, since Rotterdam is well north-east of the Scheldt). DMorpheus 20:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arranmore

Remember, we have a habit of lying to tourists :)

Theres not a chance a police officer could get past booking one pub for late night opening before the other 6 would be warned and would be closed within minutes; additionally they'd have trouble getting onto the island without the ferry company telling all the pubs; and the Irish Times suffers the terrible "Arranmore Merge" problem where what happens on Arranmore and Inishmore turns into one island,. The football team was started after the car ferry service started, and every opposition team (+ half of the home team) come in by ferry for every home match - and considering the way the approach to the island by sea is, you'd notice you were being brought around the long way very, very quickly if you were being brought in by normal boat.

You should note that the reference to the police was removed by my brother, not me - two different accounts in the history there.

As goes "British Isles", nearly everyone from the island living on the island of Ireland is back there every second weekend anyway, so its hard for any form of seperate diaspora to be built up. Its also a term I've found to be mainly used in a derogatory sense (along with "Éire" or "erse" when refering to the country or the language), so its almost instinctive to try and find an alternative if one is suitable.

However, you've now given me a reason to write something on Beaver Island (Lake Michigan), where about half the residents claim some links to Arranmore, as well as the communities in south Scotland - for instance Lockerbie has a sizable ex-Arranmore population, two of which died on-ground in the bombings. --Kiand 16:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

It goes from lying to craic after the tourist has bought the storyteller about two pints while listening enthralled, before then its just pure lies ;) --Kiand 20:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category deletion

Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_12

[edit] Thanks

You may use my format for the side bar and that is a good idea to change ship name to Italics, will be changed when i have changed all side bar formats in the dido and bellona classes.

Thanks --MiniEntente 15:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Castellamare di Stabia

Hi, my changes were more in the personal preference department than a matter of correctness, although I think "southeast" is preferred around here. Feel free to revert if you prefer the original spellings. No worries --Cam 17:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well, Folks....

In the battleship Tirpitz article, you claimed that Tirpitz did not have air cover because of poor coordination between Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe.

Tirpitz was covered by fighter unit led by fighter ace Heinrich Ehrler. When the attack started the leading bomber formation headed toward German base nearby, fooling Ehrler into believing that the British were going to bomb the base and not Tirpitz. When it became clear that it was diversion it was too late, Tirpitz had been sunk. The German fighters attacked the British bombers and shot few down before they had to return to base.

That is what the book Kampf und Untergang Der Kriegsmarine says.

http://www.sammlerpoint.de/geschichte/g2163.jpg

Kurt.

[edit] Kriegsmarine ship prefix

Late reply to your message at Talk:German cruiser Admiral Hipper. According to the Wikipedia naming conventions:

Don't make up a ship prefix for a navy that didn't use one. Thus:

(in reply to User_talk:Kallemax#Kriegsmarine_ship_prefix)
Hey, no offence intended, I just copy-pasted the text from here. κаллэмакс 09:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peru v Kriegsmarine

NI, I haven't heard of anything like this. It is possible that Peruvians would have destroyed an U-boat, but warship....Only German warships that could reach Peru without being resupplied were Panzerschiffe's, and none was sunk in Peruvian waters.

I don't have any information. If I come across anything I'll let you know. But you have tickled my curiosity so if you find anything I'd appreciate it if you would let me know. --Philip Baird Shearer 13:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: NFLD WWII

I don't dispute your statement that "NFLD forces (59 Heavy Regiment & 166 Field Artillery Regiment) were part of the British Army, not Canada's army". However, please see http://worldatwar.net/timeline/newfoundland/19-49.html where, for June 14 1940, it states: "Canadian request to station ground troops at Newfoundland Airport, Gander and the seaplane base at Botwood granted. Subsequent agreements provide for, recruitment of Newfoundlanders into the Canadian services, Canadian command of the Newfoundland Militia and formation of a joint coastal defense battery." I think that the 57th, 59th and 166th (Newfoundland) Artillery Regiments were formed in the UK from Newfoundland volunteers already in British regiments (eg, 71 (West Riding) Field Regt). This might have accounted for a different status to the Newfoundland Militia and other units raised at home. Folks at 137 21:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess we are arguing about different things. The Defense of Newfoundland and the Home guard of the Newfoundland Militia were under Canadain command, but overseas units fighting in the war were under the command of the British Army. There were native Newfoundlanders who signed up in St. John's for the 57th, and 59th regiments. Perhaps the WWII page should indicate both commands. 66.57.87.50 22:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Commonwealth Casualties

There are differences between the 1946 Official listed casualties and the current Commonwealth War Graves Commission Report- Do you have any idea why the current numbers are higher than the 1946 balances? Also do you know of a source for data on the UK Colonies casualties?--Woogie10w 15:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of France

Hi Folks at 137! I saw you reverted my last edits of Battle of France. May I inquire as to the reason why? Greetings, --MWAK 14:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

That explains it all :o). Thank you for your effort — especially in guarding against vandalism!--MWAK 16:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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You gave me a warning. Not sure what happened. I thought I was editing a page - then it went blank, perhaps because I'd left it active for too long(?). If you check my own history and the history of the page in question (which I've done much work on), I hope you'll accept that I did a "whoopsie", at worst, not deliberate vandalism. If so, I'd appreciate an "innocent" verdict - good name, and all that. Folks at 137 20:27, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

The edit that the bot reverted you on is [1] not sure why it happened but the page was uploaded blank to Wikipedia, the bot caught it as blanking and reverted to the last editor not the last edit. I can't really change edit summaries, but thats what happened -- Tawker 21:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
By the way, you do know that Tawkerbot2 is a bot, right? -- Tawker 07:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Essentially what happens with a revert (admin / bot (which is a computer program in short) / or otherwise) is the person reverts to the last editor, not the editor who "vandalised" (although in your case it appeared to be not intentional, a technical glitch caused it to blank the page. I understand you have concerns about the auto bot revert (within 10 seconds I believe it's working at) - you are the second user to suggest it, the thought has crossed my mind but part of the intent of the bot is to discourage vandals by showing them that if they vandalize it will be reverted rapidly every time, if I introduced a delay it might lose some of the deterrent (and the deterrent seems to be working, vandalism has been down often.) Even if the bot didn't auto revert, chances are someone monitoring the anti vandal programs would have noticed the blanking (although it was accidental) and assumed it was vandalism and did the exact same the bot did, chances are it would have been reverted to the last edit before you anyways. -- Tawker 20:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date linking

Date linking is for user preferences rather than collating significant dates. If I type "9 July" and don't link it with the double square brackets then it reads as "9 July". If I link it then it will read either "9 July" or "July 9" depending on "my preferences" (next to my watchlist) thus providing those either side of the Atlantic with a format they are familiar with.GraemeLeggett 08:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proper linking and designations

Hello. I am wondering whether there is a set standard for linking naval articles (should HMS/USS/service numbers be included). More specifically, I am wondering if there is a prefered form to use for Soviet naval articles. Thanks in advance. Crocodilicus 04:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Dragoon

Nice edit today. DMorpheus 20:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] County class cruisers

That wide info box just doesn't work. Perhaps several down the article but not a single "fat" table. GraemeLeggett 10:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Corkscrew

Hi, re your message, yep that was my only objection, sorry about that, don't know why it didn't work for me yesterday, tried a few times over the day before I removed it, but only got the page can not be found error message each time, works for me now though, I've reverted it back in now.Number36 22:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Operation Wikinger

I'd probably leave it off; it's not particularly useful in this case. (Strictly speaking, the box guidelines specify that the countries involved should be given, in which case it would be an even less meaningful Germany v. Germany setup.) Kirill Lokshin 19:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hertfordshire

Hi there. I was a bit bored today at work, so I created a Userbox for Hertfordshire based Wikipedians (and I'm still bored so I am messaging the 'Wikipedians in Hertfordshire' group about it). If you want to use it, it is {{user Hertfordshire}}. Legis 12:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Omar Bradley

Just a few comments; I am far from an expert on Bradley but I hope you find this helpful.

1. Since his most senior post was Chairman of the JCS (Joint Chiefs of Staff - equivalent to British CIGS I believe? Or is that just the Army?), and he was the first officer to hold this position, I think this should be mentioned in the intro.

2. He was assigned to the II Corps in North Africa before Patton arrived and before Fredendall was relieved, so strictly speaking he was not sent to Africa to serve under Patton. A minor wording change would take care of this.

3. II Corps was the major US formation under 7th Army in Sicily. Maybe a link to 7th Army would be approporiate, as well as a brief mention of the 'road' controversy that first pitted Montgomery against Patton and Bradley.

4. I believe he was known as the "G.I. General" not the "Soldiers' General". Ernie Pyle came up with that.

5. Isn't the Chambois pocket much better-known as the Falaise pocket? Bradley's decisions there are among his more controversial so that might bear some mention.

6. The original planning for Overlord had the US 12th Army Group going south of the ardennes. It was a later decision, pushed by Montgomery and endorsed by Ike, that led the US First Army north of and through the Ardennes, thus helping set the stage for the battle of the bulge.

7. Should be a link to US First Army as well as mention that it was the lead US formation in Normandy and one of the largest (if not the largest) US field armies ever.

8. Some mention of Bradley's colorful remarks about the Revolt of the Admirals might be in order, or perhaps a link to that article. Same with his comments re: Truman's firing of Macaurther, which he strongly endorsed.

9. I've never heard the racism charge at the end. Since this is quite an accusation it should be backed with some sources.

10. Maybe some mention of the OOB of the 12th Army group at various points? DMorpheus 15:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Tirana view.jpg

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[edit] AfD:Names of European cities in different languages

I notice you've contributed in the past to Names of European cities in different languages and its successor pages. There are proposals to delete these articles and the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of European cities in different languages, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of Asian cities in different languages, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of African cities in different languages might interest you. AjaxSmack 18:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maritime warfare task force

Hello, Folks!

Good news: Kirill Lokshin (talk · contribs) has recently created the Maritime warfare task force as part of the Military History project. Bad news: so far, it has only three members (the worst news is that one of them is me).

I think this would be a good forum for discussing of maritime warfare/naval history, exchanging ideas and establishing best practice at a more general level than the Ships project. If you are interested, can I suggest you pay a visit and, if you like what you see, sign up?

Regards, John Moore 309 16:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Folks, I have put the following reply on my talk page; I have copied it here in case you have not put that page on your watchlist.
"You do yourself an injustice, Folks. We are all amateurs (so far as I know), and what I have seen of your work is well up to standard. Your recent edit to the Hipper-class, for example, was a significant improvement to the balance of the article. As for "grunt" work, there will be enough of that to see out the millenium. I would like to see this task force succeed, and this will be more likely if you are on board. Regards, John Moore 309 15:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)"

[edit] Malta Convoys

Hi, I'm sorry about adding that tag, the tag I wanted to add was a "fix the page format" one to make the page a little bit more compact, but I couldn't remember it, I've now fixed it. --James Bond 23:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] British Pacific Fleet

It would be strange if a Commonwealth fleet based in Sydney did not include RAN ships, no? :-) The list of ships in the article is far from exhaustive and the RAN effort included destroyers and smaller vessels. Grant65 | Talk 17:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to have a comprehensive list of ships, but this has proved difficult, at least from the sources at my fingertips. However, I hope this puts your mind at rest:
The RAN was initially represented by the destroyers HMA Ships QUICKMATCH and QUIBERON as well as a number of corvettes. Later the destroyers HMA Ships NAPIER, NORMAN, NIZAM and NEPAL joined. All of these vessels had previously served in the Indian Ocean with the British Eastern Fleet. The destroyers had taken part in attacks on Japanese oil installations in Sumatra and the N Class vessels had supported the Army [sic; should be Allied armies] in Burma. The corvette HMAS LAUNCESTON had sunk the submarine RO 110 off Vizagapatam. The destroyers saw service in support of the Okinawa operations in April while the corvettes formed two minesweeping flotillas.[2]
In other words, there were no Australian ships of cruiser class or above in the BPF. See also: Supplement to the London Gazette of Tuesday, the 1st of June, 1948 "The Contribution of the British Pacific Fleet to the Assault on Okinawa, 1945." (Published June 2, 1948.) Cheers Grant65 | Talk 04:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WWII template

Curious, it looks fine on my monitor... Esaborio 18:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I use the Explorer. And yes, there is a slight difference between the two flags. You can see for yourself at [3]. Esaborio 08:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hiwis

Hmm, quite messy. (And I'm really not the right person to comment here, neither having read Beevor nor posessing any real knowledge of the period.)

I would suggest, however, that more precise citation may help resolve the issue. If you can footnote the contentious points with page numbers from the sources, the discussion turns to the interpretation of specific points, which tends to be more limited than general fights over concepts. Kirill Lokshin 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DeSchiMAG

Take a look at de:AG Weser, 11th sentence:

Nach dem Weltkrieg wurde die sogenannte Werften-Konzentration durchgeführt, die die AG Weser unter anderem mit acht anderen Werften zur Deutschen Schiffs- und Maschinenbau Aktiengesellschaft (DeSchiMAG) zusammenfasste.

German capitalizes nouns, but not other words (even in titles), therefore abbreveations follow this style. Other examples are GmbH and BAföG. Deutsche Schiff- und Maschinenbau AG becomes DeSchiMAG in this way.

--° 11:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be a decision between the correct form and the most used form. I favor the correct form.

-- ° 08:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If there only was a Web-site by DeSchiMAG themselves. I am pretty sure the would had opted for DeSchiMAG or else for DESCHIMAG. Even deschimag would be an option (if the had some hip PR guys). Only "Deschimag" (even so many times used by others) is very unlikely. But it can be found in Wikipedia: "Deschimag" exists as redirect. The question is: Add another redirect for DESCHIMAG, or not? I'm not sure about that.

-- ° 09:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polish task force

Nope, it was always meant to include all of them. I can't recall why that particular wording was used, but it's been there since the beginning; in any case, I've changed it to the standard form now. Kirill Lokshin 20:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: DagosNavy

Quite honestly, I think you're being overly fussy here ;-) So long as the edits themselves are good, and the multiple commits are not truly excessive (think hundreds at a time), I don't really see any real reason to take any action regarding them. It's probably just a function of his being a newer editor; I suspect he'll outgrow the habit in time. Kirill Lokshin 22:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] September campaign

As long as an issue is not solved we keep discussing. Wandalstouring 01:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kimonos Youself

Hello Folks! I am often banned here as I have to use a public server here in Saudi. It is so good to be unbanned for a while (and for some reason). I appreciate all your efforts with 'my' operation names. Sure, put the Kimono thing back in if you like. Paul, in Saudi 14:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geeks?

Please Folks, do not sell yourself short. I consider us both not to be Geeks, but Uber-Geeks. Nice work on resetting those names into lower-case. I ran out of time. Paul, in Saudi 03:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Desert Sabre

Sorry to bother you again but could you go to this page and tell me if you think it is 'not notable?' Seems like standard (if obscure) military history to me. I value your opinion. Paul, in Saudi 16:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Indented" Polish flag

I now see the problem. I have no idea either how to do this. So I guess returning to the "indent" might be the best option for now. Considering how the image is used on over 3000 pages I don't feel like actually modifying it (even though it will always be on a white background) and certainly not like creating a "boredered" duplicate and linking that in (looks like a job for a lifetime). I will revert my edit to the Normandy page till I or someone else can think of a better solution.--Caranorn 11:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Gladio

I fear I may spend the rest of my days trying to heal this sick, twisted article. I invite you to join me in my quest. POV Problems? A Few. Since you are a Smart Guy can you tell me how to enter one of those nifty <<Citation Needed>> tags? Paul, in Saudi 08:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Paul, in Saudi 11:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
This article is beyond hope. Well-meaning people who have no clue have taken it under the wing. It is very alarming indeed. How can I submit this thing to be rated? I am sure it would a very low score. Paul, in Saudi 16:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Materiel

Hi, I'm a tad confused - I think you'll find that I corrected the incorrect spelling. That is, I changed material to materiel and not the reverse. Am I wrong? --Ggbroad 17:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ship class italicisation

Hi, there is a separate Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships), that other one is somewhat misleading so I've adjusted it accordingly. I too used to italicise all ship titles on WP, but got told off by someone else, even though most of the big names (e.g Whitely, Lenton, Conways) italicise class titles or put them in quotation marks, it seems this is not what WP policy is. Didn't mean to come across all school-teacherish on you! :) Emoscopes Talk 15:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, it is particularly silly when you are talking about ship classes by letter-names only, without some sort of style on the letter it reads pretty badly. But getting stuff changed in the Mos? Not worth the effort, really... Emoscopes Talk 17:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Naval ensigns

Ok, sure no problem. I wasn't aware of it, but i will change it. LOM

[edit] White Ensign

Hey, thanks for the heads up about gallery compatibility, I had no idea that it wasn't 100% supported. I'll go ahead and revert to the version with the images down the right hand side. Emoscopes Talk 20:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Destroyers

Hi there; the article looks good so far, and I look forward to reading the complete item (my interest is more in Capital Ships in terms of wiki contributions). I do not think that anyone would now mark it for deletion, but if in future you have to leave an article at an early stage where deletion is a risk, then if you insert at the top the template {{underconstruction}} then it will, or should, be left alone.--Anthony.bradbury 12:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, I would stipulate, the Japanese, with their almost complete lack (until late) of anti-submarine tasking, and to a lesser extent the Italian. I wish you the best of luck. If I can be of any factual help let me know; I have here a seriously extensive printed database.--Anthony.bradbury 17:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bruges/Brugge

Hello. I'm puzzled that you cancelled my edits changing Bruges to Brugge (pronounced Brooker). For the last 5 years I've lived in Flanders on and off, and it's a simple fact that I've never heard it called Bruges, neither will you see Bruges on a road sign anywhere within Belgium. It is also a fact that referring to Flanders (ie Flemish-speaking) towns by their French names is very irritating to local sensibilities. Calling Brugge "Bruges" makes as much sense as calling London "Londres"! downes51

[edit] Re: 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)

Meh. It's not a very good B-Class, admittedly; but I would say that it still qualifies, based mostly on the amount of material present. (I'm not an expert on this particular topic by any means, though, so I don't really know how accurate it is. If you want, you can list the article at WP:MHA#Requests for assessment for another opinion.) Kirill Lokshin 23:48, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scharnhorst and Gneisenau upgunning

Hi, ref your request for published sources substantiating claims for upgunning with 15-inch guns. See The German Navy 1939-45 pages 32-38, author: Cajus Becker a former German Navy intel officer. Published 1974, ISBN 1 85152 591 2. Also see my note at [4] George.Hutchinson 13:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mowe class destroyer?

Hi, I reacted exactly like you when I saw the Möwe class referred to as "destroyers". They should be called torpedoboats, that's what they've been called in all litterature I've read which has mentioned them. These ships were definitely not "Zerstörers". Manxruler 11:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice to be of assistance. I did a little look around the internet on German language sites, including German Wikipedia, and the Möwe class is always reffered to as "torpedobooten". Keep up the good work! Manxruler 19:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Old news: white border with USN flag template

Hey! Sorry, this is old news, but I just noticed this edit: [5]. The USN flag template already adds a white border to flags to highlight them against a dark background, so there's no need to put border| in front. Just wanted to save you some effort in case you're using the template in articles. TomTheHand 20:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Togo and Kamerun

Hi Folks. You're doing some great work, especially on the List of World War II ships, but what was that stuff with Togo (HNoMS Otra) and Kamerun (HNoMS Rauma (1940-1963))? 1094 tons? 3415 tons? That's wild flaws, man, when you consider they were actually 355 ton ships. Who gave you that faulty info? If you need info on Norwegian ships then just ask me, I've got books on most of them. Keep up the good work! Manxruler 19:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, that's cool, man. I'm gonna write an HNoMS Otta article pretty soon, it will clarify things. By the way, I appreciate you added the various town-class Norwegian destroyers to the list, I was going to do it myself, but haven't had the time. Just generally, be careful with web sites, they're surprisingly often wrong. I mostly use English and Norwegian books on English and Norwegian subjects, I find that even books are often very inaccurate when they are written by authors who did not use original sources. For example, English litterature on Scandinavian subjects (barred thoes written by Scandinavian authors) is most of the time inaccurate and some of the time nonsense. You did stellar work on the List of World War II ships, would you like to help me out with the List of World War II ships of less than 1000 tons some day? Manxruler 21:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the lists are starting to become somewhat cumbersome. Alphabetically is probably the way to go. Also the issue of "real" belligerents should be adressed. I kinda raised an eyebrow when I saw the various Danish ships on the list, their navy did not fight in WWII, unless you count scuttling the whole fleet after three years of cooperating with the occupiers as fighting. Did the South American navies do much combat? Maybe against uboats... We'll have see if we can come up with something later on. All the best. Manxruler 14:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Participants in World War II#Ireland

I made some changes. A lot of the detail you asked for I added to The Emergency. The IRA luftwaffe claim is cods, removed it. Will dig around the wiki and see if something already exists on k-lines and if so add a sentence (tried to slim down the entry by placing the extra details in refs.) Fluffy999 23:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Codeword Brouhaha

Dear Folks, Hope you are well. Sorry to hear about the controversy on the Codeword Page. My thoughts:

  • I am inclined to be inclusive rather than exclusive. If some operations are not exactly military in nature, I would suppose a name-change to the page is the easy solution.
  • The reason to be inclusive is that this listing is a sort of "Vertical (or is it call Horizontal?) History" showing things that were happening at about the same time and place, that is to show a relationship that a more strictly thematic listing might not highlight. "Oh look, the SS was doing this while the Allies did that." "The CIA was doing this while the Indians were doing that."
  • Certainly it is important to leave some stuff out. We have both stood foursquare against including the names of 'things.' (U-Boat, Checkpoint Charlie)
  • Does this help in any way?

Paul, in Saudi 16:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Execution of airmen in Sumatra, 1945

It seems that 9 FAA personnel were summarily executed and two were Kiwis: http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Navy-a5.html Regards, Grant | Talk 07:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Road v highway

It was not my intention to argue about it, it was more like a question to you. But you're absolutely right. I forgot they use the word 'motorway' in the UK while they use 'highway' in the US. I Actually like the British English better and as I am not a native English speaker, I can't do anything but agree with you. I didn't know either that in the UK 'highway' is used for all public roads. So lets make it 'road' again:) Greetings! Wikifalcon

[edit] Canadian Flag

Unfortunately the image you looked at is the one I'd already changed. Most WWII articles seem to be using the 1957 ensign instead of the 1921 one.--Caranorn 17:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yep the problem is mostly with anyone clicking on the flag to see a larger version and then finding themselves in front of the wrong one... I'd never noticed either, though I probably wouldn't have known the difference either.--Caranorn 21:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:216.57.120.66

Much as I'd like to, I can't block anyone: I'm not an admin. For someone vandalising after a final warning, you can report them at the please-block-this-**** page here. For anon IPs, particularly if they're from schools, only use this for ongoing vandalism. Cheers, Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 21:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No sweat about your edits

Hi Folks at 137. There is absolutely no problem with your edits; after all, I'am not a native English speaker, so it's quite possible I can miss some punctuations, edit a text with typos or with grammar mistakes. Thank you and best regards.

DagosNavy 16:15, 31 March 2007

[edit] Seenu Atoll

Concerning your: (Undid revision 118934656 by Mohonu (talk) reverted as last edit removed most of article)

I didn't remove the article, I only transferred it to Addu Atoll, which is the Atolls true name. The introduction of code-letter names has been a source of much puzzlement and misunderstandings, especially among foreigners. Many people have come to think that the code-letter of the administrative atoll is its new name and that it has replaced its geographical name. Under such circumstances it is hard to know which is the correct name to use.

As a reference I always quote relevant Maldivian sources, like M. Luthfee and Hasan Maniku, which are local historians and geographers with clear ideas about names in the Maldives. Mohonu 06:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] German World War II destroyers - revert

Hey, Folks. No, I'm not offended by your revert, not at all, in fact, I'm sorry for not replying any sooner, it's slipped my mind I guess.

According to German wikipedia [6] Leberecht Maas was either bombed or mined, while Max Schultz was mined.

However, according to this German encyclopedia [7] Leberecht Maas was bombed and Max Schultz definitively mined and this German encyclopedia [8] both were bombed. All in all I'm left quite unsure of what the official opinion really is. Manxruler 23:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Pugilist

Hi Folks! I think your recent change to the Supercharge heading is wrong. As I understand it the original left hook through the gap by NZ Corps was part of the original Pugilist plan to cut off Italian 1st Army and advance to Sfax. It stalled in the Tebaga Gap on 23/24th March at which point Pugulist ended. Supercharge was the amended plan bringing in 1st Armoured and commenced 26 March. This is all stated in the NZ official history found by following the link in 6. References. Are your sources saying something different? Regards Stephen Kirrage talk - contribs 20:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Clear

I don't know if there is a list of parameters... I just found the thing while working on other articles, and its useful to stop screen-cramping when you have something like two templates or large images with not so much text in between. I hope you find it useful as well. Maybe investigating the Template:Clear page will provide you with the answers you seek. -- saberwyn 22:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belzec

Hi, thanks for your comment on my talk page. I didn't watch the video clips on that site, because the summaries below them made it clear what kind of stuff it was. Googling the name of the site is also useful - if it is extensively referenced by vho, codoh, fpp and the like - as this one was - then it is likely a denier propaganda piece. They did have the rug pulled from under them in the Irving trial, but that doesn't stop them from repeating the same old stuff. That really is the proof that they are not honest historians who merely want truth, IMHO - no matter how much debunking their crap gets, they keep on asserting the same things.

Do you know about Nizkor Project? They are into debunking denier claims. Cheers, Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 17:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] RE:Suffren

Thanks for fixing the Suffren page. I thought that comment was a bit nasty, and I could not verify it anywhere.Atkindave 02:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voting for Ireland

Hi Folks Reading you very valuable contribution to the "Ireland" name debate, I realised you were advocating Option A; so I add you to the count for A. Another Editor has questioned my interpretation. Could you have a look here: [9] and see if I've interpreted you opinions correctly? Thanks (Sarah777 12:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Re: Assessment criteria

This page might help to answer a lot of your questions. You'll find a table listing all of the assessments for WikiProject Cities there, which is updated approximately every two days by a bot (looks at every page with the {{WPCities}} banner on it's talk page). When you added the plain {{WPCities}} tag with no assessments, those cities automatically appeared in Category:Unassessed-Class WikiProject Cities articles, which is how I found them.

The aforementioned assessment page also has some basic instructions on how to assess articles for quality and importance. Featured article and Good article quality must be assigned by going through a separate nomination process. I also usually only assign A-class to articles that have at least achieved Good Article status, since it ranks above GA on the assessment scale. Stub, Start, and B-class assessments are fairly subjective, but reviewing the guidelines should explain these pretty well.

Importance assessments are primarily assigned based on population, as well as status as a national capital (all national capitals are assessed as top-importance), or a regional/provincial/state capital (high-importance) (see the priority scale). There is also a more subjective classification as well, which allows for some cities that have more international recognition to be assessed at a higher importance than their normal population. Cambridge is such a city; with only a population of 124,000, it would normally be assessed as LOW. But due to it's recognition via the university and other research endeavors, I've reassessed this at HIGH. It is important to take into account that the importance assessment is for the importance globally to wikiproject cities, so some cities which editors might think are very important on the local level, may not be as important on the global scale. But many cities also have a local wikiproject, and can thus have more than one assessment (rate it as low or mid importance to WPCities, but top or high importance to your local wikiproject). The quality assessment, however, should generally be in agreement across all wikiprojects.

Hope this helps! Dr. Cash 20:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

One thing to keep in mind regarding the importance assessment for articles, is the scope of the wikiproject itself. WP:CITIES has a pretty global scope, so the importance assessment on the scale should take into account the city's importance globally. If a city is a very important location to a particular nation's infrastructure, but is not really all that widely known on the global scale (like Hemel Hempstead - this is the first time I've even heard of the town, and I doubt people outside of Europe are really aware of it, either; a city like Cambridge, on the other hand, is pretty widely known globally for its education and research institutions), then it should be assessed on a high or top scale within the local wikiproject, and a lower assessment within WP:CITIES.
While the assessment guidelines stipulate that higher assessments may be given for, "International news coverage by at least two media agencies of an event or disaster," I personally don't think that's really accurate. I actually look at the overall historical significance of the city, and how the city on it's own interacts with the global community. Of course, this is still pretty subjective, but the importance assessments aren't really set in stone, either. A town like Biloxi, Mississippi would be assessed a 'low' importance, based on a population of 48,972. But after Hurricane Katrina blew through (an undoubtedly significant event with huge, long-lasting ramifications on the entire city), the article could be re-assessed up a notch, to 'mid' level importance. Dr. Cash 19:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Cunningham, 1st Viscount Cunningham of Hyndhope

What are your thoughts on the current version of theis page? Have you got any more problems with the article? Oh and thankyou for your additions a) to the cunningham article but also for for creating the Dudley Burton Napier North article. Where did you get your information? I looked around for a while but couldn't find that much. I will try and expand it when i can, dependant on finding some more info! Any further comments on the Cunningham article would be appreciated. Thanks Woodym555 10:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I have implemented some of your fixes. The Cowan section has been split, Lochinvar has been red-linked. (btw i created the Port Edgar page so know about Lochinvar!) Fixed the flag rank and significance sentence though it might need copyediting.
Bio:I might pull up the subjective card on the bio one. I think it would need a substantial rewrite to move it around. The early life and retirement might need mixing up and more information sourced. Currently, i personally (again subjective, feel free to disagree), i don't think it blocks up the text the way it is. peer review, A-Class review and the other FA reviewers haven't seen it as an issue.
Taranto: Lumley Lyster came up with the plan a few years before, it was changed slightly then put into action. I thought this was clear, (probably not if you've questioned it!)
Matapan:All of the fleet movements are explained in the Matapan article. I have added in a British Cruiser Squadron in the area. At the beginning it was ordered to meet up with pridham-Wippell who would then join up with Cunningham. As it turned out they didn't meet up early enough cue lots of miscommunication, near-misses and lucky escapes.
I have done some copyediting work on the earlier sections. The Cowan section originally had blockquotes in it, when they were removed the section wasn't properly formatted. If you feel it needs some sub-editing then please do it (if you have time), you won't be stepping on my toes, if it needs it then it needs it. As it is in my watchlist i will see any changes. I don't own the article by any means! Thanks for your help Woodym555 18:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there anything else that you want to add to the article. I certainly see it as comprehensive in its current state and now worthy of fa status. Is there anything that you feel will get in the way of this, anything outstanding? Thanks Woodym555 12:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

No apology neccessary, A-levels are a rather stressful time, i would know. Whenever you have the time, reply to my request! Thanks Woodym555 22:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Hope all is good, most of the edits to the Cunningham page certainly are. I have one problem though; Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken. many of the links that you are fixing such as Attack on Taranto link to the page anyway and so don't need to be fixed. (i didn't know either until an admin pointed it out) Woodym555 18:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Good news!! With regards to redirects i don't see it as a major problem with the article. I don't see why perfectly good links should now be reverted. I do think though, that from now on, we shouldn't add anymore piped links over redirects. That would seem to be the most suitable, even if it isn't the most consistent, approach to take. I think it would be even more effort for little achieved or improved in the article. Most MOS are guidelines and not set down rules, the only set rule is don't vandalise!! So i don't think we have a defence there. Woodym555 23:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
By all means if you find redirects, they should of course be piped, but in the future we should adhere to the if it ain't broke, don't fix it guideline. Happy editing. Woodym555 20:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all your little fixes. Do you see anything that prevents it form being an FA? An FA does not have to be perfect, it has to fulfil all the criteria and i think it does. With regards to the Dover Patrol, no there is not that much information. Evn in his bio there wasn't much info. I had a hard enough time trying to find info to create the Dover article in the first place!! Hope all is good. Woodym555 22:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, treading the fine line of WP:CANVASS here buyou are opposed to itd promotion at the moment. Neutral can be used if you are unsure. Of course, it is whatever you think it should be and not what i think it should be, i have a certain WP:COI!!!
Dover Patrol: Yes i used most of those when i created the Dover Patrol article, the amazon link was very useful, thanks, i may have to acquire that book somehow!! Woodym555 22:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Eastern Fleet ships

I am not sure that I see any "external links" that I have added to the article. I added one link to HMNZS Leander, one to New Zealand, and two to India. Please explain further. Mkpumphrey 14:11, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Whoa! Folks

I don't mind you adding all manner of other project tags but PLEASE stop deleting the Irelandproj tags! Regards (Sarah777 23:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Test template

If any of you want to test the test template, just create a sandbox page of your own and add this line to it:

{{User:Flowerpotman/sandbox/templtest}}

The options currently supported are on this page User:Flowerpotman/sandbox/templtest. This template is really just a copy of the the current WP:Cities template. The current Wikiproject Ireland template is based on an old version of the WP:Cities one. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scandinavia in World War II template

Hi Folks. Now, I hate being a fly in the soup, but I've got some feedback on your new template. Its the issue of Battles of Narvik being a separate part of the template, that's just wrong... The battles of Narvik were part of the Norwegian campaign, not a separate from it. The battles were battles that occurred during the campaign, not a different thing. I think that's an important point, so I'll do a little bit of editing, hope you don't mind. Manxruler 22:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, its a really nice template and a neccessary one at that, just keep the Narvik battles out of such an overview context. Manxruler 22:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Folks. Glad you don't mind. Yeah, I can see how that would be true, the Brits are really Narvik-focused, although the fighting took place all over the country and British LAND forces fought mostly in the southern and mid portions of Norway (f.ex.: Namsos campaign). In fact, the Brits did virtually no land fighting on the Narvik front, they contributed with the RN and RAF while the Norwegians, French and the Poles fought Dietl's men on land. For the annual Christmas tree gift to London see either Norway (best) or Oslo. Keep up the good work. Manxruler 21:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Although Iceland is considered a Nordic country, not a Scandinavian country as such, I feel Invasion of Iceland could fit in quite well in the template. Besides, the whole definition of "Scandinavia" is quite open to interpretation and often includes the Nordic countries. Plus, Iceland was part of Denmark when the Brits invaded in 1940. Lets include the Invasion of Iceland, that makes sense. If there are other major Icelandic WWII articles they could probably work in the template too. Good idea. Manxruler 23:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
I think that since the Scandinavia article states (with ref.) that "As a linguistic and cultural concept, Scandinavia thus also includes Iceland and the Faroe Islands." it would be totally ok to add Icelandic articles (of importance comparable with the articles already in the template, of course) to the template. Manxruler 23:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Huertgen Forest article: Thanks!

Thank you very much for adding those useful citations to the Battle of Hürtgen Forest article. Best regards, Jim_Lockhart 03:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Second battle of Sirte: Thank you for help me!

Tanks, Folks. Remember, I'am not a native speaker, so my English could sound somewhat strange or flawed to a native reader. I thought "achieves" would be stronger for my argument with another user than the original "supports" I had employed. Again, thank you for your help :).

DagosNavy 02:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cunningham-Thanks

Thanks must go to you as well for providing all the little fixes, copyedits and additional information that it needed to get up to FA. Yes, looking at Mr O'Neill with some expectation!! Thanks again for all your help. Woodym555 10:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't know whether you are around at the moment, but for a limited time only, Cunningham is on the main page. It is quite a reward actually. :) (constant vandalism) Woodym555 (talk) 22:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scandinavian WWII "terrorists"

Thanks for the heads-up, Folks. I view this simply as ip user vandalism and have started reverting them as such. If a proper user had made these edits with good intentions then that user would have discussed this first, and made proper edit comments. This ip user is just carrying out plain old vandalism. Manxruler 16:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Folks at 137/pauk

A tag has been placed on Folks at 137/pauk, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the article and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Michael Johnson (talk) 21:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be in your user space or is it supposed to be an article? John Reaves 21:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If you're attempting to improve the existing article, you need to move Folks at 137/pauk to something like User:Folks at 137/pauk. The "User:" means it won't show up in the main namespace. Once you are finished improving the article, you can copy the new version from your userspace to the article. John Reaves 22:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Norwegian Christmas tree in London

Hi Folks. Thought you might be interested in that I have added this English language external link as a citation at the Norway article for the annual gift of a Christmas tree (spruce) to the city of London. The article also includes links to a couple of related Christmas tree stories. Be well and keep up the good work. Manxruler (talk) 05:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] William James

It seems a bit odd to have Bubbles as th infobox picture for James. I have a photo of James, but I don't know its copyright status. I will upload it. If you or other naval experts know the copyright status of the image please add it. Paul B (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It's from the website on HMS Hood that's an external link on the James article. I mean I don't know where it comes from before that. Paul B (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Speedy deletion of Kent Fortress Royal Engineers

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[edit] V Corps (United Kingdom)

I just added the much linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_Corps_%28United_Kingdom%29 but I think it needs attention from a British expert (and formatting).--Mrg3105 (talk) 07:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merged Battle of the Mediterranean campaign boxes

Hello Folks.

I merged the entries in Template:Campaignbox Mediterranean Naval Campaign (1940-1944) into the existing Template:Campaignbox Mediterranean Campaign and updated the articles to use the latter. Do you have any objections to my deleting the "Naval Campaign" one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberiko (talk • contribs) 01:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I was looking into trying to seperate out the convoys, but the problem is that they are quite mixed with serious combat activities (i.e. Battle of Cape Bon, First and Second Sirte etc.). I'm prosposing in the campaignbox template, that we add a footer so that we can annotate entries. Hence, each battle which involved a convoy bound for Malta could labelled with an explanation at the bottom. Oberiko (talk) 14:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't quite follow. My line is that we can't seperate them out. Most battles in the Mediterranean were attacking / defending convoys and I think taking them out of chronological order reduces its effectiveness. Perhaps we could have two seperate boxes? One for the "battles" (which would include some convoys) and another for the Malta convoys (which would include some battles). So, something like Operation Pedestal would appear in both, but Taranto would only appear in the "Battle" box, while Operation Portcullis and other convoys that were not attacked would only appear in the "Malta convoy" box. Oberiko (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kostopol References

I would like to use your Kostopol notes for a paper I am writing about Volhynia, but I need to cite my references. Are you able to provide original references for your Kostopol comments on Wikipedia?

If possible, I would appreciate obtaining the name of the publication/s, year published, place of publication and page number/s.

Thanks for any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.13.55 (talk) 03:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kostopol References

I would like to use your Kostopol notes for a paper I am writing about Volhynia, but I need to cite my references. Are you able to provide original references for your Kostopol comments on Wikipedia?

If possible, I would appreciate obtaining the name of the publication/s, year published, place of publication and page number/s.

Thanks for any help.

My return email is: virtualgarbage@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.13.55 (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if this is a dumb question (the inner workings in Wikipedia are mysterious).

Folks at 137, I am looking to find references for the Italian air units listed in the Italian army (tenth) entry. Are you the original poster of that information ?

thanks,

Tom (gionpeters@comcast.net)