Talk:Folsom Street Fair

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Contents 1 Geo Coordinates? 2 Valid link 3 Folsom NYC article 4 WikiProject class rating 5 picture should be removed or i will in 3 weeks if no one objects

[edit] Geo Coordinates?

• Could anyone please ad the geo coordinates? --Nemissimo II 13:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, not familiar with geo-coordinates but in San Francisco the fair runs from 7th to 12th streets along Folsom Street and the side streets along that corridor. Benjiboi 20:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Valid link

http://www.lodgephoto.com/galleries/usa/sanfrancisco/folsomstfair/ has been removed as spam but in looking at the site seems to actually just be a photo gallery. Benjiboi 19:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Did you look at the bottom of the page? There's a shopping cart, and means to buy or license prints. That's spamvertizing in my book. HalJor 20:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

In online world you could pretty much discount many good sources because they sell stuff and online photo sharing sites are well known to make purchasing an option. The photos are actually quite good at showing some more in-depth aspects of the event and anyone interested would benefit from seeing them, in a proper gallery or an online venue that is trying to stay in business. Benjiboi 20:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Looking at WP:SPAM (section 2), the guidelines for posting a link to a video side are pretty relevant here: "A video is a spamming video if...It has text at this video page that would lead readers to a specific commercial site. For example, 'book available at xyzBooks dot net'." Further, on WP:EL (section 4), we should avoid "links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services." LodgePhoto's welcome message is: "You can browse original travel photography from my collection and read travel and technical articles, buy high quality, custom-made fine art prints, or license images for commercial use (stock photography)." We're not just looking for "good pics" here -- we're looking for valid, non-commercial references, in accorance with Wikipedia policy. HalJor 20:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Indent reset. I simply disagree and think that this falls into the YouTube arena where even though the site hosting the content isn't the best neutral source, the user posted content is still valid, and in this case, quite good. I've seen a lot of photos regarding that event and the were presented well with informative captions and you got a good sense that the event had a lot to offer beyond traditional street fairs. If the link is not allowed simply because of the site it's on perhaps the wiki policy needs to be revisited to allow for the changing landscape of user-generated content. Benjiboi 21:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the landscape is changing, but Wikipedia needs standards, and those are covered in the relevant policies -- off the top of my head, WP:SPAM, WP:EL, WP:COI, WP:V and WP:NOT. The "changing landscape of user-generated content" does not alter the need for verifiable, reputable sources. Again, this isn't a judgment call over the quality of the pics or the captions. If the same pics were presented in a fashion that complied with the various policies, I would argue for their inclusion. But this case is clearly commercial. HalJor 23:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you for making my point. The photographer used the "wrong" website therefore the use of that resource is gone. I agree that standards are helpful but within reason. In this case we seem to agree that the photos themselves are fine just on a website that seems to push it's commercial aspects too much. To me it seems like the link could stay as a valid resource but I've seen the photos already and I know what the event is about so I personally don't need them. I think the link adds to the article and would benefit anyone's understanding of the event but hopefully much better galleries can be found on more acceptable websites. Benjiboi 23:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

My $0.02 is that it's best not to link to a random photo site like ofoto, flickr, slide, etc., from a Wikipedia article because the choice of galleries and images arbitrary and uneven. Nearly every article would have such links by that standard, in which case it's best to build image search and link into the wikipedia infrastructure (or just do a search yourself in google images) rather than adding links ad-hoc. Whether you call that spam or not is a matter of terminology; there's probably been a wikipedia guideline discussion on the subject before. I'm probably not going to take part in any resolution because I'm just popping in to add the article to the Bay Area wikiproject; if you have a debate, why not ask for a consensus and failing that seek moderation from the mediation people?Wikidemo 09:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think either of us care that much just trying to understand our differences.Benjiboi 20:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Folsom NYC article

Folsom NYC article Benjiboi 02:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] picture should be removed or i will in 3 weeks if no one objects

the photo of the "masked fellow at the fair" has terrible lighting you can hardly make it out and adds nothing to this article i will remove it unless someone says why i shouldn't--Charlieh7337 (talk) 01:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Send it to the image lab to improve it. Image shows some of the costuming at the fair, use of fetish and carnival masks and seems like a tame enough image. Benjiboi 06:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

no idea how to do that someone smarter than me should do it Charlieh7337 (talk) 01:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlieh7337 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

In process, link is here. Benjiboi 12:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)