Talk:Folk music of Ireland

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[edit] Organisation of content of this and related pages

This article inorporates almost all of the material rating to Irish folk music, that used to be present in "Music of Ireland". The idea is to create the equivalent of the article "Folk music of England" and to allow the "Music of Ireland" a new chance to be return to the status of "good article". Ogg (talk) 10:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. There is definitely a value in having the "traditional Irish music" content separated from the more general "Irish music" (which might include "Irish pop music", "Irish classical music", etc). However, the name of this article (though equivalent to the corresponding English article) is possibly not ideal. Per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, we should use the "most common name of a person or thing" when naming articles. Unfortunately the name of this article isn't ideal. In short, the VAST majority of people in Ireland (locals and visitors) would never refer to "folk music" in this way. It's always "Traditional music", "Trad music" or some variant. (Not "folk music"). Can we move/rename this article to Irish traditional music? Guliolopez (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no strong feelings either way. The problem lies with those singer-songwriters who call themselves "folk singers". Where do they belong? They are not traditional, so they don't belong here. There are not very popular, so they can hardly justify going into pop or rock. Should "Folk music of England" be renamed "Traditional English music"? Ogg (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"Folk music of Ireland" includes ballads and other types of song. This article is about "traditional music", which is a single form of instrumental music, mostly as an accompaniment for dancing. Note that Folk music of England has a heavy emphasis on song. So either the article needs to be expanded to include other forms of folk music, or it needs to be renamed. Scolaire (talk) 09:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

From an American point of view the line between folk and tradtional is probably more blury because I don't see a large devide here, first of all lots of good work on the article, secondly, it would probably be good to add info about ballad and song as well if the similarly titled english article addresses it. (also add the roots template to these articles) --Dannygutters (talk · contribs) 04:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


      • The improvements are good in early 2008.. but don't go far enough. There is tons more info available, and this and associated articles are set to grow a lot... take a look here

http://phonoarchive.org/grove/Entries/S13901.htm This suggests yet more reorganisation to me. I would suggest breaking article into Folk/Ballads and Trad (instruemental) alongside other forms, like Sean Nos, Portaireacht and so on. We could also take a leaf out of Music history of Portugal ... page is better structured For one, we need to transfer some of the Folk (eg Table with top rock groups in the Folk article e.g. into some other article...). cckkab (talk) 08:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Contributions by The StoneCrusher

Yes you know your stuff but this is meant to be an article highlighting the major players. It's not a laundry list of everybody you have heard of or like.

  • Sean Maguire. Fair enough, but you linked into the wrong person's article.
  • Jackie Roach - very minor
  • Joey Flynn - minor
  • Luke O'Malley - minor league
  • Andy Ross Conroy (1911 - 1999). Poorly represented (if at all) on recordings so should not be mentioned here.

The following are significant but should be added to "Celtic music in the United States" rather than here:

  • Randal Bays
  • Joe Derrane (I wrote his article)
  • Marie Reilly Ogg (talk) 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I need help !! i read that instruments are used in irish folk since the 18th century, but hat the bodhrán ist used since 1600. what's right now? please give me right information, i really need them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.234.251 (talk) 17:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Printed Irish folk music dates from the 18th century. Harps existed in Ireland in the 10th century, probably earlier. The music was played, it just wasn't printed. Ensemble playing probably wasn't common until the late nineteenth century. Ogg (talk) 18:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)