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Hello Floria L! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! Ryūlóng 21:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Kabuto Riders

I am sorry, but I do not find it necessary (yet) to put separate headers for the Kamen Riders who have not had a second person use the Zecter. Kabuto, Gatack, Punch Hopper, and Hopper needn't have these "Rider Biography" headers, when there's only one biography, so far, to talk about (and I seriously doubt that Tendou's going to lose the Kabuto Zecter any time soon). Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but its much neater and organized to put an extra header there anyways. I'd rather have a consistency with other articles than having some this way and some the other. Floria L
All right then, but I have changed these headers to fit with the MoS as well as pluralize those that have had multiple riders. Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the other edits too. I've been trying to fit them into smaller headers, forgot how. Floria L 22:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Now, if I could only find out how to connect the two tables at the main article... Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
It's possible, but I can't seem to find a way to deem them as movie only Riders. Sticking in column for movie only will only create 7 no's and 3 yes's. Floria L 22:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've tried something out colspan is our friend. Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Looks nice, its a keep. :) Floria L 22:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Yay :D Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hyper Battle

Uh, where's the Hyper Battle section? I need to see info about Hyper Gatack. --MaskedRiderGatack 14:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

See Kamen Rider Hyper Battle Floria L 19:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:CFDS

An entry, Category:Kamen Rider Characters you have recently commented on at WP:CFDS is contested and has been removed from WP:CFDS. The discussion was too ambiguous to automatically transfer to WP:CFD feel free to place a nomination there if desired. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 02:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahem...

  1. Mighty Morphin Power Rangers
  2. Mighty Morphin Alien Rangers
  3. Power Rangers: Zeo
  4. Power Rangers: Turbo
  5. Power Rangers in Space
  6. Power Rangers: Lost Galaxy
  7. Power Rangers: Lightspeed Rescue
  8. Power Rangers: Time Force
  9. Power Rangers: Wild Force
  10. Power Rangers: Ninja Storm
  11. Power Rangers: Dino Thunder
  12. Power Rangers: S.P.D.
  13. Power Rangers: Mystic Force
  14. Power Rangers: Operation Overdrive

—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't work that way. Look at press released, MMPR is counted as 3, and Alien isn't counted at all. Thats why OO is the 15th anniversary and not the 14th. MMPR + AR ran for 3 years, every other series ran for 1 year. 15 years, 15 series. Floria L 00:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
That's not how it works. PROO is the 15th anniversary, not the 15th series. —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Series or Seasons? Its the 15th Season, but if you want to group all 3 seasons of MMPR into one big lump then its the 14th. Floria L 00:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
There have been 14 series of Power Rangers (if one counts MMAR as a series), and there have been 15 seasons of Power Rangers series.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I see what you mean now. I was changing it to fit seasons and not series. Floria L 00:17, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I went to pretty much all of the pages that mentioned a specific number, and cut them down by one, but mentioned on the anniversary pages about the year. —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kamen Rider Kabuto Pictures...

I wish I could get the pics in Widescreen but the episodes I got are all full screen and it's hard sometimes to get the images sorry about the blurry pictures cant do anything about them...

Here's also the link to the Pupaworm pictures I'd get the Native Worm but I deleted that episode off my comp...

Thats what i meant by widescreen, those look fine, thanks. :) Good job on the Rider pages. Floria L 02:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Awesome images, only need a couple more and all the rider pages will be done. Floria L 19:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

You're welcome to help us out here if you wish.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Gattai

I've got them all, don't worry. In the future, try SuperSentai.com or Rovang's Sentai Sanctorum. Some of the sites may be down for one, but there are pictures that are very good for IDs.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh, thanks. I actually identified them all on a post at RB, just didn't update it at the time. Floria L 01:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Sokay, and about Dino Thunder: Actually, that is not part of the project (yet, or at all). A user contacted me and told me that he was making them, and I let him. If Hbdragon wants to merge, he can.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:HyperZecter.JPG)

Thanks for uploading Image:HyperZecter.JPG. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Fritz S. (Talk) 19:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead, I forgot to remove it after i replaced it with a better image. Floria L 20:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PR images on Sentai articles

Some images are in a grey area as to whether or not they should not be on the article. Image:Whiteranger1.jpg is one of them. It's clear the image comes from Dairanger footage, but it lacks either the numbers in the upper left corner that shows it's from Japanese footage as well as a Fox Kids or ABC/disney logo in the lower right hand corner to show that it's American footage. Use discretion :3—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and thank you for reverting the idiocy at Gekiranger earlier. He repeated it, so I warned him about it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Yea, i read some of your edit summaries after i removed that one. I thought i read somewhere that a consensus was reached to keep the images seperate, but guess not. Sorry. :p | Floria L 02:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
If you can't tell the difference, then it's okay. If the source is explicitly stated, it is not okay. Something like Image:ZyuRanger1.jpg is explicitly stated as coming from a Japanese source. The newest iteration of Image:GaoRanger.jpg is a grey area. Image:Blacktommy2.jpg is explicitly stated (and it's visually obvious) that it comes from American footage. As I said, use discretion.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O

If you have the larger version of this please upload over it (and change frame to thumb on Kamen Rider Den-O (character) where I have replaced every image, technically).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My recent edits to Juuken Sentai Gekiranger

It's nothing like that! I was trying to re-do the page, moving the mecha. But some guy undid all my hard work, so I had to habdle that while you restore the section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fractyl (talk • contribs) 18:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Alright, my bad, I'll remove the warning. Floria L 18:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting Definitions, No?

Hello. The reversion of my last round of comments is pretty strange, there is nothing incivil to other users about them. If you want to gloat about some kind of bureaucratic action you rushed through with unanimity from a group of PoV users (no doubt the only ones who knew about said proposal), you could at least give me a link where I can read about it (more real incivility, both rushing your 'action' through and then giving a link where I can't see anything about it).FasterPussycatWooHoo 12:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] (tally)

Thank you so very much for keeping up on that. Someone would get to it eventually, but you're on it as soon as someone forgets but supports. :) I'd give you a cookie, but I have that preset for admins :(

Cookie
Which just means I should copy the code and give it to you anyway :)—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 00:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, hope you succeed in your RFA. Floria L 01:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Would you also like some pie while you're at it? :P—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Sounds yummy. Quite a load of templates at your disposal there. ;p Floria L 01:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There's also penguin, but I'll save that for after my RFA.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Raymundo Rodriguez

Hello ! Thanks for concerning about vandalism . I do it , because I don't know if I do everything right...I wrote this article using that book (it's a book with notes about all participants of mundial) and you know it's only a little information about him . However I do a lot not to do plagiarism , but only take information...You know what I mean...I'd be glad to hear your opinion Bartekos 11:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Its alright, I was a bit confused, and it just seemed like you took alot of information off the page. If I was wrong, its my bad, you can remove it. Floria L 19:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O

Could we not make the biography of Ryotaro an episode-by-episode storyline, as it currently appears? Also, using "Nogami" to refer to him is a bit odd, as they use his first name a lot within the show itself.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

True, we'll only take the most significant detail points and stick it in there. Floria L 10:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PROO

I've unsemi'd. It was a response to another user inserting all of the information that came directly from Kyle that we can't source otherwise.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. Can't actually watch the videos, so I can't supply proper information either way. Floria L 22:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Only thing we can accurately source is that James is Mack, everything else is a level of original research such as who is based on what. But we could use "Bombardo" somewhere.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Templar Knight = Zuban? At least that he exists? Floria L 23:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
(Three days late) I guess. But I don't know if it really fits in with the whole WP:NOR. I also have an idea to reformat the individual Kamen Rider character pages (switching to human names instead of Rider title, as to not separate one character's biography across two pages [Yaguruma and Kageyama] and most Kamen Rider armors have a single user).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 10:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Not sure that would be a good idea, as it would setup a lot of repeat information among articles, and even then, some other users are extremely minor, and it would be quite a hassle. Throws off the balance, and I currently see nothing wrong with Den-O's article. I'll agree that the character pages under Kabuto need some reworking in terms of grammar, but not necessarily renaming them. Not all Riders, such as Hibiki, went by their real names anyway. Floria L 10:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Besides, its much more perferable to have a format like the current Rider Pages, than to make one huge clump of text in the character page and then stick Rider information into the main article making it over 60kb's. The current format looks nice, and I don't really see any problems with it. We could make Ryotaro Nogami redirect to that page however. Floria L 10:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

I was doing some checking on different articles and clicked on the wrong tab, sorry. Csdorman 22:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, just wondering. Bottom of the talk page please. :P Floria L 22:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rider Kabuto

Shouldn't the movie info on Tendou be kept as if you think about it, "TV Tendou" wouldn't exist if it was not for "Movie Tendou". Plus it revealed how Tendou got the Kabuto Belt in the first place. But, in essence, GodSpeed Love has be seen as a "prequel" to the show. User:Fractyl

But that ISN'T Correct. The movie revealed nothing, as it was all proven to be untrue within the series. the movie did nothing for the sieres, and vice-versa. Completely seperate entities, therefore, they can not be transcluded amoung each other. Movie: Tendou gave belt to Tendou. Series: Dad gave belt to Tendou. That one fact right there shows that TV series was not created by Tendou going back in time. Floria L 23:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Why did you take the song off I listed?74.195.3.199 02:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Read the respone on the Geki-talkpage. Floria L 10:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor continuity error

Well, I finally found out information about Gun form's Imagin's legend, Tatsu no Ko Tarō (龍の子太郎?). However, that's a story written in 1960. And Ryōtarō (龍太郎?) and Ryūtarō (竜太郎?) are baseball players :P—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Er... thats a problem. Hide for now? Floria L 02:21, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I really don't know :( The story of Tatsu no Ko Tarō is like the others...but it's newer (and it is two words, it translates as Dragon's Son Tarō).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hibiki

Do you think we'd be able to work up on some red links on the Rider list of Hibiki? I did make what is currently {{KamenRider-stub}} when working on Nigō, Skyrider, ZX, and Ultraman vs. Kamen Rider.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should ask Yaguruma, he seems to be the Hibiki expert. I've only watched a portion of series, so I'm not sure about the characters at all. —Floria L 02:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Got it.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gekiranger

Need help in convincing Ryulong in keeping some words in japanese and use the "word-word" formula. Fractyl

By word-word, do you mean the Gekiwaza? Such as Hō-Hō Dan? —Floria L 14:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
"Hō-Hō Dan" or "Gun-Gun Bullet", depends on accurate translation. I also refered to terms like Geki, Rinki, & Ringi. Fractyl

[edit] Talkpage

Thanks for reverting the blanking. I guess that's what I get for trying to tell someone the correct way to release text previously published elsewhere...--Isotope23 13:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. —Floria L 18:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No thanks!

Thanks for the invite, but I was looking to vandalize. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.190.11.100 (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Standard protocol, that was automated. Floria L 23:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] X-Men images

But the images help the readers understand the summary more and point out key points in each episdoe and they shouldn't be removedGman124 19:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

  • and shouldn't UDHSS also be blocked then and get three revert noticeGman124 19:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] KR Kabuto

I didn't find the translations incorrect, I just went for a more accurate translation in regard to the episode itself. Plus, "no" can be translated as either "Word of Word" or "Word's Word" in terms of how the phrase is represented. Heaven's Path gives a more dramatic feel than "Path of Heaven". "My Grandmother always said...He who walks heaven's path, rules the World...My name, Souji Tendo."Fractyl 21:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

No isn't being used a possessive, but as an word to join an adjective to its modifier. Wikipedia isn't about drama, but correctness. Also, what you're going as is simply used by fansubbers. We do not rely on TVN's work here, they are not the sole source of japanese information. Heaven does not own anything, the path is simply an extension of Heaven. Word's Word is commonly used in place when there is a proper noun that has the ability to own something, such as Peter's Dog. We wouldn't say the dog of Peter there. We use the latter when they are both nouns that don't actually posses anything. The latter also avoids foolishness and gives a more professional feel. Dramaticness is neither useful to wiki, or is it creditable, but simply up to the users preference. Floria L 21:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Not really, Heaven's path was my thought, but it's not that "Heaven owns the Path" but rather "ideal path by those in Heaven". Hurricanger was no different in this use of wording. Though I look to subs, I use my own knowledge on certain japanese words and their english counterparts as well. Also, Souji's phrase "He who walks heaven's path, rules the World", indicates he already "rules the world", this he's not the type who "wants to take over the world", but the "who the world exists for". Fractyl 22:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gigadeath

In the trailer for 14, a couple "old enemies" return. A nice way to start the 2nd season of Den-O. [Gigadeaths Heaven and Hades] Fractyl 02:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zeronus

Please, let's wait until we get really better scans. Zeronus is probably the Imagin, anyway. There are way too many rumors flying about right now to really let this be an article—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Read the scan. Floria L 01:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O Contracts

The Imagin do have contracts with Ryutaro, though they are "unresolved contracts". Contracts are bonds between Imagin and humans.

  • Momotaros: Was demanding Ryotaro's request at the very start.
  • Urataros: Though he had a contract, he never intended to fullfill it.
  • Kintaros: The Contract was never brought to question, though Ryotaro set it up.

The three Imagin even refer to their contracts to Ryotaro being servered by the new Imagin.Fractyl 00:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Served. They hold no official contracts until a wish a made. Unresolved contracts are ones WITH a wish, just not completed. Thats what unresolved means. He has made NO CONTRACT with the Imagin. Singularity Point... hello? Floria L 01:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll reiterate this. There is no contract. These Imagin possessed him, some knowing he was a Singularity Point. Urataros implies that he never meant to forge a contract, knowing that Ryotaro was a Point. Notice how the others didn't ask him for his wish at all? Ryotaro can host Imagin to fight using a Masked Rider System. There are no CONTRACTs. Contracts are WISHES. There are NO WISHES. Floria L 01:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I disagree though a wish is needed, a Contract is what psychically binds Imagin to humans. Even Momotaros mentioned that until the contract is resolved via a wish granted, the Imagin is stuck with the human. But it seems the Contracts are a mutual affair, the Imagin asking for one thing in return, in most cases it's the prized moment of the human's life in the past, but Ryuutaros' differs in him wanting to be conductor. Singularity Points are a expection as they can choose NOT to make a wish both consciously AND subconsciously with unintended results. Ryuutaros' Contract is with another and has nothing to do with Ryotaro, than then kill him, it would seem. Also, Ryotaro did make a wish to Momotaros, though the Imagin refused to accept it out of how stupid it sounded. Fractyl 01:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. You just contradicted yourself. First you sate the Imagin entering is the contract, but then you say granting the wish is. I will watch the episode again for Ryuutaros' contract message, but for now leave it as is. As for the other three, the contract is formed only when they go to grant a wish. This was stated by Hana multiple times. They need to grant a wish to complete a contract. When they posses them, its simply locating a host. Tv-Asahi's website says that they locate hosts in the present time, and has no specific mention of contract when its simply a possesions. Floria L 18:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Watch the episode again. Forming a contract means choosing a wish. Ryotaro's wish was a joke, and everyone knew it. You even said it yourself, Singularity Points don't make contracts. They simply USE the Imagin. Ryuutaros has no contract. He was told that he could become DenLiner's conductor if he killed Ryotaro. All Imagin could've been told that. There was no other person involved. Ryuutaros has NO CONTRACT with anyone. Its simply an Imagin desire of his, just like some Imagin desire other things. Floria L 10:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I have watched it and heard "contract" with Ryuutaros. No, when a Imagin enters a human, the Contract is formed. The wish serves as a way to fulfill the Contract's needs and granting the desire of a human. You have to watch the episodes closely: Imagin enters a human, emerging to bestow a single wish and point out he wants something in return. Fractyl 11:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll have to rewatch the Ryuutaros part, but from what you've just said, you've contradicted yourself. Hana said clearly in episode 1+2+3 that Imagin posses people TO MAKE contracts. Meaning, they did not make them yet. They are only in the seeking a host stage. It is after a possession, when a human makes a wish, is a contract initiated. The definition of contract itself does not allow simply possessing someone to make a contract. That is just a bond. Floria L 18:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Just watched that segment again. No mention of contract among Ryuutaros what so ever. He was simply told by someone, possibly another Imagin, that if he beat Ryotaro, he would become the conductor of DenLiner. Floria L 19:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I checked Ryuutaros, though he mentioned only the benefit of taking out Ryotaro in the Stop 14 preview. Fractyl 21:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
There you go. Benefit. All Imagin want to defeat Den-O. He is stopping their quest. Simple as that. Also, might I remind you, Hana said this when Ryotaro wanted to make a wish to Momotaros. "Are you seriously thinking of making a "Keyaksha",( as in contract), with him?" Thus, undeniably, there are no contracts until a wish is made. Floria L 21:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to mention Ryuutaros never said contract(You are right about that, dum-me), but Urataros and the others did mentioned their contracts when they were unable to sense Ryotaro. But I see it that Hana meant as in "cement the contract." You got to see it as a "unbinding contract yet to be signed" in a sense. Once the deal is complete, the Imagin assumes full-physical form while the "unresolved" are semi-physical. But if the Contract is the actually possession or being told the wish, I can see it either or both. Fractyl 21:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Again, thats searching for meaning behind the meaning. Just don't do it and go with what exactly the characters say. No implications. They have no formed contracts. Cementing the contract would be granting the wish. Forming the contract would be making the wish. Possession is just finding a host so that the Imagin can take a form, whether it be sand or physical. Floria L 21:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
No, Granting the wish would be "completeing the requirements of a Contract". Furthermore, Ryuutaros never said why he wanted to defeat Ryuutaro in the episode. That was a line from the next episode in the preview. But to show my gratitude for the nice conversation, I found the page holding info on Stops 15-17 Fractyl 22:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Erm.. completing the contract is the same thing as cementing the contract. You're right, Ryuutaros never did say so. My bad. As for the contract thing, lets just leave it as, possesion, wish=contract, granting=contract completion. Ryotaro = no wish, no contract. Floria L 22:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
It's cool, my the way I meant "completeing the requirements stated in a Contract that both parties must comtend to". But I'll consider this a tie until more proof is provided in future episodes. Fractyl 22:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imagin Genders

You sure they are male? Source? Floria L 22:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

That I'm sure that are, thought no sources to show the obvious. This is due to physical appearence, mannerisms, and male seiyuu. You have to think of Imagin as Orphanochs in terms of gender. I am hoping for a female Imagin to appear in the future. But Gigandes may not be a sound genderly if not preceded by the Imagin. But I'm starting to think the Gigandes are different enties, due to being mindless beasts and only appearing once a certain Imagin is destroyed.
In that case, shouldn't we refer to them as it? Being monsters and all? Floria L 22:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I think we should keep refering to Gigandeses' gender to the same their Imagin conuterparts are until more info is provided. Fractyl 23:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
But we don't know what the Imagin genders are.. We can't assume to follow one pattern when the first pattern isn't correct, or at least proven correct. For all we know, Imagin voices anatomy could be reversed from humans. Floria L 23:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Not really, in Stop 2, Hana explained that the Imagin are in fact "people from the future". So the forms we see them are not actual bodies, but forms they created to exist in this time. So gender is needed in the case of Imagin, but I am convinced that the Imagin so far are male. Fractyl 23:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Creatures from the future. Refering to them as it is the most encyclopedic in this situation. We cannot go with an assumption of what seemingly sounds right. Floria L 23:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
That's why I intend to go with a Gigades as "it", but Imagin are another story. Fractyl 00:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but they're the same situation. You've provided no proof for either, besides your own opinion. Floria L 00:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I may not know japanese in detail, but the Imagin do use gender-defining pronouns, right? Fractyl 01:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ryuutaros

By watching the 1st episode again, I have noticed that Ryuutaros may had entered Ryotaro after the guy was KO'd by Tetsuo. So I'm expecting that to be recapped in Stop 14. Fractyl 21:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I doubt it, it'll be an entirely separate plot that involves way before Den-O began. Afterall, what is a backstory if it took place within the series. Floria L 21:33, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but I find it and the Rider Pass a nice series plot device. Fractyl 23:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stops 15-17

It's attempting to translate the Stops listed on the article. Need help in accurancy.

Stops 15-17 noted!

  • Stop 16, Come Running (耒走 Suki Sou?)

Page I'm using for aid Fractyl 23:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that 16 and 17 aren't titles yet? Its not come running, rather, to come. Floria L 01:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC) Any idea what 15 is?
Taking lots of time to translate kanji: 銭湯 ジャック・パニック> Sentou Jakku Panikku > Bath-House Jack Panic Fractyl 02:20, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
The first two furigana ontop of the Kanji are read Pass however. Floria L 12:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stop 14

It seems I was right about these two appearing. By the way I get it in the review, Owl Imagin "splits" into two Gigandeaths.

[Gigandeaths Heaven and Hades] Fractyl 00:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Yer... that fact has been established... especially since it was in the preview. No surprise there. Floria L 00:37, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
I showed you the pic (though you removed it), but how eluded me. But does this mean the Gigandeaths are a entirely different group of monsters? I wonder when the true nature of both Imagin and Gigandeath are discussed? Fractyl 00:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Alright, i dind't remove it, its at the top of the page. Also, don't try to draw implications, let the story unfold itself. There's no true nature thing thats been explained as far as we know. Floria L 00:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd Rider and a new movie!?

The two forms of the 2nd Rider and 3rd Rider to be intro'd in the new Den-O movie. pic Fractyl 20:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Already saw it, too far ahead speculation as of now. Floria L 20:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Imagin

There's a card game of Den-O with "Rider Ticket"-style. Two new Imagin are introduced...

Fractyl 23:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

First is owl. Second is snake, epsiode 17-18. Floria L 00:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zeronos Imagin

I thought I covered the Zeronos system well with the magnazine sources. The two data cards slide into a slot on the Zeronos Belt's camera-like buckle, the circle part of the buckle being a dial to start the change. The cards can be installed in the weapon for Final Charge. The card color suggest one Imagin to be yellow and the other green. Fractyl 19:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Too much speculation, just calm down and wait. It could be different from the sacns for all we know, and they never portray the details accurately enough. Floria L 19:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Den-O movie

I don't think a separation is needed, especially if you break up info that should belong! The Den-O movie may be more linked to the series than previous movies (That worked a "what-if" different from the series; thought Hibiki's was more of a origin movie). Climax Form is to be in the series, while Wing Form is to be used in the movie. Fractyl 02:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Seperation is needed. No question to that. All movies are non canon. If the movie is linked, then no seperation. Otherwise, seperate. Floria L 09:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I consider Den-O movie a linked movie, due to the timer/space aspect.Fractyl
Doesn't matter what you consider, that would be OR. Floria L 14:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sanada Ten Braves

There's no speculation behind that, the ninjas Momoataros and gang were fighting are the Sanada Ten. Fractyl 20:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zeronos

New pix are out.

Zeronos Zeronos & Deneb Machine ZeroHorn "Vega-form" Vega-form 2

Fractyl 13:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Imagin

I'm just providing info to better the page, even Ryulong had supported some of my choices in the past as long as they were practical. You can't just exclude movie info about characters present in the show, especially since the movie part is referenced. Or remove certain things because you see them as "clutter", when they are important things to point out (Like the Bat & Ivy Imagins getting outside to fullfill their respective contracts). Also, "Naita" can also be translated into "tears", which goes into context of the phrase's meaning. Fractyl 14:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If you want to add more information about Imagin, go ahead. Spell check, grammar, etc. Don't clutter it. Movie information needs to stop spreading. Concentrate it in the MOVIE ARTICLE. Tv plots NEVER have ANYTHING to do with the movie. Its toei law. Floria L 15:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Movie plots do have ties to TV if used in a certain fashion, Abaranger proved that. Both Kamen Rider Ryuki & Blade movies served as "alternate endings" to their respective series, and Hibiki(If the present-time's ignored) revealed the origins of Takeshi. But so far from the magazines, Den-O's movie plot does appear to have ties to the series: Ryotaro going to the year 2000 (Where he meets his younger self by chance), before DenLiner was hijacked by Gao and his Imagin posse to go into the Warring States Era to re-obtain the Gao-Liner. Fractyl 15:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Kamen Rider Movies never do. You just proved it. 15:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I guess I may had, intended to point that out. Though some of the Undead from the movie did appear in the series (The 1st Battle Fight). Hibiki's a maybe, due to use of the past where the REAL story lies. But don't think all Rider movies are going to follow the same "Alternate-story" scernio, especially in a series like Den-O that uses time travel. P.S., I managed to improve my Evil Imagin profile edits, hopefully to your expectations.Fractyl 15:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. Still, those small details mean that they aren't the same continuity. They just aren't. Of course, there will be some similarities, but they are completely different entities. Floria L 15:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O Movie Promo

It's out and it's climax is that all four form of Den-O show up at the same time. Fractyl 01:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] #20 Title

Actually, "I'll say this for Starters" or "Let me start by saying this..." are better translations of "Saisho ni itte oku".

Fractyl 22:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Check again. Floria L 22:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll take the current title. But the fact to start, Yuuto became Vega so he'll kill the Imagin a "honest fashion", after Deneb admitted that Yuuto's methods are below the belt. Fractyl 22:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GodSpeed Love

I'm surprise you didn't approve of the God Bless America(Hyori's theme?) and Jacob's Ladder(Heaven's Ladder Project) references. But the summary should stay as it is more accurate to how happened in the movie. Fractyl 16:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Trivia, overclutter. Simple as that. Floria L 17:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O Movie

[ http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q47/Asumu/Den-O/denopicpo4.jpg New pix of the movier and S(ieg)-Ryotaro]

Fractyl 20:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] For future reference on the Sieg Imagin

A White Imagin is mentioned in the summary for episode 23, and if one takes note of the designation it has as a toy (Imagin Series 05 (イマジンシリーズ０５ Imajin Shīrizu 05?)[1]) where Ryutaros is 04 and Deneb hasn't been made into a toy yet, and the various other movie toys have a different designation (EX [2][3]).—Řÿūłóñģ (竜龍) 20:58, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Still a bit too speculative. White Imagin tells us nothing. As you've said countless times, just wait for it to air. Floria L 00:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O: Fighting Style

Saw episode, here's the revised summary. Care to review?

ShortSummary = As Ryotaro saw the actual Yuto Sakurai in the past, he becomes suspicious of the one that is Zeronos. After telling the Owner of the battle in 2006, he states that he believes that the Yuto Sakurai may be the "Sakurai-san" that Ryotaro knows, from a decade in the past. Dispite Ryotaro's reluctance to accept that, Owner explains that can't do anything else but speculate until the truth is revealed. Hana, herself, wishes to know more about how the ZeroLiner can exist when its timeline was destroyed, much like her own timeline was, seeing Yuto as the one to have. Ryutaros was drawing at the time, picked a fight with Momotaros when he steps on one of the drawings, one of which depicts Den-O Gun Form shooting Zeronos, to Urataros' dismay. Meanwhile, Yuto injured his hand and goes into the Tokyo of 2007 until Deneb possesses him to assist a tired young man named Tanaka sell goods for the Tanabata Festival. After warning Deneb not to do things on his own, he leaves the Imagin to take care of things himself, with Deneb using a tiger costume to sell the items while Tanaka rests. In Tanaka's dream-like state, he opens a contract with the Tortoice Imagin to get even with his employer. On the DenLiner, Ryutaros starts asking Urataros and Kintaros about Sakurai and the nature of marriage. When Kintaros gives Ryutaros the idea to show his strength to impress Airi, by defeating Yuto. At the Milk Dipper, Ozaki and Issē fight over putting tags on the Tanabata Tree while Airi serves coffee to Yuto, who introduces himself to her just as Ryotaros and Hana arrived. Once Yuto leaves, a hate-filled Ryutaros takes control and follows with his dancers. As Ryutaros pursues Yuto, the Tortoice Imagin and his rabbit half attack Tanaka's employer to complete the contract. Hana attempted to protect Sakurai until he has no choice but to transform and fight Den-O Gun Form while Deneb runs to his partner's aid. Zeronos Altair Form and Den-O Gun Form are equally matched, as they rush at each other on their respective motorcycles.[1]

Fractyl 17:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gaoh

Woah! Where's this coming from?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see the official site has split off into both shows.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O Movie/TV Link

Dukemon provided the next three episodes.

  • Episode 24: The Prince's Goodbye Lullaby
    • Info- Rytaro is misidentified as the baby's kidnapper, and is held in jail. The police question him relentlessly. Their investigation is proving incomprehensible when the Imagin possess Ryotaro and Hana managed to help him. Sieg possesses the baby, and tells its mother that Ryotaro is innocent, and was only trying to help them. Ryotaro is released, and becomes the baby's protector. Sieg takes up residence as Ryotaro's 5th Imagin, but, he is slowly wasting away. As the baby is his contract holder, its memory isn't concrete and thus is forgoting the wish, and so Sieg's dying with the memory. Akio Masuda is then possesed by the Scorpion Imagin, and attacks the baby's mother. To defend her, Sieg uses his last ounce of strength to possess Ryotaro, evoking Den-O's Wing Form.
  • Episode 25: "Climax Double Jump"
    • Info- Yuuto and Deneb appear in Ryotaro's dream. Ryotaro tries to question them, but they evade him. Suddenly, he and Airi hear Miura's screams, and run to try and find him.
    • Imagin: Spider Imagin
    • Movie elements(Seen in preview): The Taros Imagin battling ninjas, GaO Liner's Kiba.
  • Episode 26: Ticket to God's Line
    • Info- Ryotaro goes on the Ga-Oh Liner to the the time of dinosaurs, and to the Edo Period. After seeing ninjas, and having a katana in hand, he is returned to the present for no reason. The contractor of a new Imagin appeared to be the elder brother of the girl who "wished to see a star". Yuuto tells Deneb to watch the girl.

Fractyl 23:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template stuff

Using {{Japanese episode list}} was okay, but I switched everything back to {{List of Anime Ep TV}}, and now I want to try and put the "Ending theme" column back in for the Den-O page (it's honestly a better place to list when each Double-Action is used than the main Den-O article), but I can't figure out how to add the Aux parameters to List of Anime Ep TV. Could you take a crack at it?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puns

Unless you can source "puns" from their respective websites, you can't just say what you believe as a pun. Floria L 16:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

You can't source "puns". Example: the Kensei of Gekiranger are named after famous martial arists. As long as the pun is sensible and is a match, it's no trouble. Fractyl 17:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
True, but those are extremely obvious. Your puns on the other hand, require serious inferring, leading to OR violations. Floria L 18:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
You might be right, but I have found obvious puns that are kept on Wikipedia and were exteremely obivous (Magiranger). Like Sieg, I was the first to point out the "bird" relation (siegfried), which led to "Swan Lake". Fractyl 04:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Den-O Pun

  • Hana: A double pun: While Hana is translated as "Flower" (With Momotaros calling her "Stinky Flower-girl"), "Hana" is also short for "Hanako Yamada", the Japanese equivalent of Jane Doe. The later makes sense due to Hana's storyline and her relation to Ryotaro. Fractyl 14:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sieg stuff

I know that the Heisei movies are supposed to exist in a different timeline and storyline, but this month's episodes are kinda derailing that (I don't know what went on with Kabuto last year at this time, but the continuity this year seems to be blending together).—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats what we thought with Kabuto too. Look what happened. Keep it seperate until we know. Then we can add tidbits about each character and their roles in the movies as such. Even then, there are spaces on the movie article for it. Thats why its not mixed with the main articles. Guessing whether they tie in or not would be OR.Floria L 23:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should start something along the lines of the TV Asahi and movie sites, in that the Wing Form and Sieg information is on the movie page, but there exists links on the TV Asahi site to these areas. But trying to emulate this would get too complicated.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hello and thanks, Floria. I felt silly after I double checked that history page and realised that it wasn't an I.P., but a user with a red-linked user page. For some reason, they look all the same to me. Thankyou again! ScarianTalk 03:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Movie continuity

It seems that the events of the movie take place during the series, and as such I've not been reverting an IP adding movie details into normal character bios.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


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