Talk:Florence Farr

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Reviewed version: December 17, 2007

Add more here in a few. Zos 15:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm sifting through "Women of the Golden Dawn" today for more info. - JMax555 15:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah i just got very busy on the personal level, so any citations to keep thi from being deleted is good. I've had two bios deleted in the last week or so because the person wasnt notable enough for other readers. Zos 15:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
She's had a book biography published, and her connections with Shaw and Yeats certainly make her notable -- she figures prominently in their collected letters. I suppose we could get editors of the Shaw and Yeats articles to check in if there's any issues about it. - JMax555 16:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Add her link to their pages using wiki links. That way they can come if they want. Zos
I did so with Yeats' article , but Shaw's is locked down over disputes at the moment. - JMax555 17:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hahaha tell me this...what article isnt under dispute! I mean, as of right now, we are editing Golden Dawn pages and people who were in disputes in the Golden Dawn, and us getting into disputes about all of this! Will history ever teach us?!?! Zos 18:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh and by the way, if you bring disputers from the shaw page over here, I'll stop helping you on articles! (just kidding) heh. Zos 18:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Stub removed

I have removed the stub notice from this article. It is now a very good article and I would suggest putting it forward for Peer Review. Capitalistroadster 13:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] New Material

I've added extra material I found in the catalog of the University College of London biographical collection. The biography and listing of the sources can be found on the Web at: http://www.aim25.ac.uk/cgi-bin/frames/fulldesc?coll_id=1772&inst_id=13 JMax555 07:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been adding more material and citations, and trying to polish the text structure and syntax, to get the article ready for peer review and hopefully elevated in rating. There's a new book coming out next year from Oxford University Press called "The Last Minstrels" about Yeats' and Farr's efforts to promote Irsih lyrical theatre, which should supply some more info about that period of Farr's life. JMax555 09:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the inactive infoboxes from article. JMax555 03:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm arranging to view Bax's "Collected Letters" of Farr, Shaw and Yeats, since I've found that the University of California-Berkeley has copies on file (but only viewable in the library.) They also have copies of other books about Farr, including some already cited, so I will be able to make better cites with page numbers in a week of so. JMax555 16:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A-class

I've closed the A-class review because it's been three months with only one support. DrKiernan (talk) 08:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAN review

  • Dr. Farr was known as an advocate of equal education and professional rights for women,[3] which doubtlessly influenced his daughters' attitudes in their later lives.

Should be who not which.

  • Farr, May Morris and other friends posed for Sir Edward Burne-Jones' Pre-Raphaelite painting, "The Golden Stairs" when she was 19 years old.

Fragment consider re-writing.

  • psaltery harp or psaltry harp ?
  • Yeats also lived in Bedford Park, and it's likely she first made his acquaintance when her brother-in-law was painting Yates' portrait.[2]

This sentence is awkward reading. Are Yeats and Yates the same person, and is this the his acquaintance she is meeting?

  • She continued taking minor roles at the Folly (including a performance two days after her father's death on 14 April), but changed her stage name back to Florence Farr when she began performing at the Gaiety Theatre in May.

This is a lo-o-o-n-n-g sentence.

  • With her commanding presence and beautiful speaking voice (noted by Shaw), she soon attained modest success on London's West End stages, and in 1884 she married fellow actor Edward Emery

This sentence should be two - it contains two seperate ideas, and shouldn't be run on together.

  • Beginning in 1882, Farr served an eight-month apprenticeship under the actor-manager J. L. Toole at the Folly Theatre on King William IV Street near Charing Cross, originally adopting the stage name of Mary Lester (in deference to her father's wishes, who did not want the Farr name associated with the theatre.)

Should't be the actor-manager but only Farr served an eight-month apprenticeship under actor-manager - also this is a very lo-o-o-n-n-g sentence.

  • . One of her childhood friends was May Morris, the daughter of Jane Morris, the renowned Pre-Raphaelite artist's model, who introduced her to the artistic and intellectual circles of London society

Another long sentence. Who was it that introduced Farr to the circles, was it May or Jane?

  • Farr, May Morris and other friends posed for Sir Edward Burne-Jones' Pre-Raphaelite painting, "The Golden Stairs" when she was 19 years old.

This sentence could be worded the other way around - there are many she's in the sentence - is it right to assume when Farr was 19 years old, when there are many young ladies mentioned in the sentence?

  • Notes 3 does not attach to a reference. Bax (1971)
  • Note 10 King 1978, does not attach to any reference unless it should be 1977?
  • Images check out OK
  • Other names should be mentioned in the info box and introductory paragraph - Mary Lester

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See also Better lead


GA review (see here for criteria)

This is a nice piece of work, but it still has some shortcomings with respect to the good article criteria.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    The sources need page notations for several citations as the majority are from books. I checked out some web sites for scope, and accuracy but do not have access to these books in particular.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    Good luck improving the article SriMesh | talk 01:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the review. As soon as these holidays are over I'll actually have time to implement some changes! If anyone else would like to work on it before then, please do... JMax555 (talk) 01:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)