Talk:Flobots

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on April 9, 2008. The result of the discussion was Keep.

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[edit] {{POV}} and {{Advert}} Tags

Please wait until the article is rewritten before tagging for editorial issues. We know it's a copy-paste job from their press release; that's why it sounds like an advert, because it IS an advert. That's what the {{copypaste}} tag is for. Once the article has been rewritten and still sounds like an ad, feel free to tag it then. -JeebusSez (talk) 01:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

Man, people seem a bit quick to delete. Seems a bit contradictory to Wikipedia's philosophy, somehow. One person starts an article and generates interest, then another adds a little, then another corrects it, etc. And also, simply having never heard of somebody doesn't seem like grounds for deletion... There's plenty of people on here I've never heard of. But yes, they are a nationally-known band, and were at the time of writing. Their music was selling heavily on iTunes at the time, which as many of you may know is an internationally-available download service (a network, of sorts). Anwyay, glad this article lived. --Bblakeney —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bblakeney (talk • contribs) 21:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I am new to this whole editing business. I edited Flobots' page to include more information about the band to try and avoid sounding like it was all pulled straight from their website, and I got a message saying that it was flagged for speedy deletion because of a question of the significance of the article in general. How do I avoid this? 140.226.101.24 (talk) 13:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)OzzyRunner -OzzyRunner (talk)

You need to provide some evidence that the band is actually notable; non-notable bands don't get articles here. The article at present does not provide any evidence of genuine notability. See WP:BAND for what is needed. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Flobots are an important enough band to have a page on wikipedia. They're playing sold out shows and getting air time across the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.121.114.47 (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

That's not notability; that's also not documented. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
However I will say this, I'm listening to them on itunes radio as we speak. I didn't recognize them, so I looked them up on here. I think that the article should be kept as their popularity seems to be increasing. The radio station was Alt X under the Alternative Genre on 09 April 08 at approximately 12:30 EST.--Anhigdon 16:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The Flobots are played in heavy rotation on KROQ, the largest radio station in Los Angeles which seems to meet criteria #11. Sorry, I am not knowledgeable enough on wiki writing to adjust the page to appropriate standards myself.--Chikara8 (talk) 04:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

One station in LA does not constitute "nationwide"; there is more to America than Southern California. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow Orange Mike, I'm not sure how stating that they are in heavy rotation on KROQ is socalcentric. I am hurt that you would take such a bitter tone with me, that is just as judgmental as me saying that the only reason you haven't heard of the Flobots because you're from WI. I just came to this page to find out more information about them and was surprised to see a limited article and talk about deletion since they are such huge band right now. It's not even that I feel particularly emotional about the band, but I like to do simple research and correction of grammar to help me learn more about how to edit and help Wikipedia. To me, this includes using my limited Wiki skills to help save legitimate articles from deletion.
The Flobots are from Denver, so it is not as if they are popular in LA because they are local. A quick Google search shows that many internet, satellite, and local radio stations are playing them across the country, but since rule #11 for notability is "has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network," I thought I would point out the major radio network that I am aware of that is playing this band. At least that, in combination with JeebusSez's information about the charts should mean the article shouldn't be deleted.--Chikara8 (talk) 18:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
KROQ is a local station; it is not a major radio network (networks by definition are not local). That's all I was trying to point out; no bitterness was involved. JebusSez has done a marvelous job of assembling better evidence of notability, and I expect that the nomination will be closed soon as a "keep." I have no particular problem with this; as Jebus sez further down the page, the band has in fact become more notable even as we've been having this discussion (unlike most of the "up and coming" garage-bands-with-MyPages that get deleted on a daily basis). --Orange Mike | Talk 19:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

As mentioned on the deletion nomination page, they debuted at 27 on the Billboard Modern Rock charts for this week. This satisfies notability criteria for bands. --JeebusSez (talk) 11:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I also want to point out that since you don't think they are nation wide, the are getting heavy air time on 101.7 KZQ over here in SC, so that says to me they are getting air time across the country. 70.63.244.252 (talk) 21:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Same here in Seattle, just heard it on KNDD today and came on here to learn more about the band. Just to point out, KNDD is an Entercom-owned radio station, which means this song is playing on all their rock stations in 23 US markets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Synapse528 (talk • contribs) 05:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

They get masses of airtime here in Denver. It's rare for me to make it to work without hearing them on at least one station 65.175.1.93 (talk) 05:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Denver doesn't count! That's their hometown. That's like saying No Doubt is popular in Anaheim. --JeebusSez (talk) 16:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I looked up this article up on Wikipedia because I heard them on the radio in (Philadelphia, 104.5) and I was wondering about them, so it be nice is there was something here. Garick (talk) 16:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little confused why this page is being deleted. I'm in Arizona and these guys come up on mainstream radio stations quite frequently. I've looked up plenty of other bands on here and never seen an issue with deletion. The article seems to have actual references. None of the information provided is under copyright. So only popular bands make it on wikipedia? These guys aren't some random garage band... These guys are popular enough that this article will be re-built if deleted, don't waste your time and ours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.209.219 (talk) 09:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Please avoid personal attacks. OrangeMike is just doing what any good editor would do, as there is a general guideline for what is allowed on Wikipedia and what isn't. This article just happened to pop up at the very threshold of their creation, and they were in a gray area for some people. The references have only recently made it on there, and originally someone just copy-pasted their press release. --JeebusSez (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

"Handlebars" is getting play on satellite radio (sirius), which is nationwide. This satisfies criteria 11 on WP:BAND. Also, the single handlebars, as has been mentioned, has debuted at #27 on a major music chart, so they've satisfied 2 requirements. --Pennstatephil (talk) 16:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to include this on the articles for deletion page. The 'keep' sentiment seems strong, but it doesn't hurt. --JeebusSez (talk) 18:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
I've already brought it up. To tell you the truth, despite the fact I listen to a large modern rock formatted radio station, i've never heard the song, but Billboard doesn't lie. And neither to the results I get from Mediabase's airplay (which also says BRU is indeed spinning the song. Must be when i'm asleep.). But that's no matter, the article was snowball kept. I do appreciate Orange Mike's opinion, as several keep votes on the AfD fell into the "I Like them" pile, which always hurts an article's chances, but my research did help it in the consideration for being kept Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 13:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Postscript. It actually took a while, but I finally got around to hearing "Handlebars" on the station I listen to. However now that I have, it seems they're playing almost every hour. Also Billboard.com lists the fact that the song "Handlebars" has cracked the Billboard Hot 100 (the big chart for the US) at #100. But it's not like I need to prove further notability for the band because the appearance on the Modern Rock Tracks chart was enough to meet WP:MUSIC Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 17:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

Please, when citing, review the the Verifiability Policy and the Wikipedia Style Guide to Citing Sources for a guideline to choosing acceptable sources as well as how to create proper citations. Additionally, be specific about your sources. Don't just link to a website, link to specific pages and articles. Additionally, the Flobots' news page and press releases are self-published sources and thus certain editorial points are unacceptable under WP policy. --JeebusSez (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marathon

On 28 April 2008, WPBZ ran a marathon of "Handlebars" replaying the single over 15 times in a row. — xaosflux Talk 01:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

we will need a source for that. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 16:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Viola / Violin thing

i'd just like to point out that mackenzie roberts plays viola, not violin. they're quite different instruments. the first time i saw this article, it had "violinist", so i changed it to "violist", which is the correct term in this case. however i looked at it again, several weeks later, and it apparently had been changed back to violinist, so i fixed it again. i'm just letting everyone know that it isn't a typo or anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.31.11 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 10 May 2008