Talk:Flip tricks (skateboarding)

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[edit] Attention all editors

I'm going to edit this page and start watching it, along with all the other skateboarding pages. Basic tricks don't need citations, since their definition is mostly a matter of oral history. However, any spectacular sounding tricks that are added without citations (pictures or video) will be immediately removed. Remember that these pages are a general reference and are not intended to be an all-inclusive guide to skateboarding. If you want an all-inclusive list, make a skateboarding Wiki. Shreditor 20:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really getting ridiculous. I started this page and if I was a sys-op I'd at least semi-protect it. I even added a warning at the top but no one seems to pay attention... --Liface 22:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trick suggestions

We're going to keep all trick suggestions to this section before putting them in. Make sure to not only describe the trick but CITE SOURCES as well. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

- Switch foot Pogo? - manual trick: skater holds the top of the board on does a running motion on the back wheels. - Pressure: in between an ollie and nollie. Not quite on the nose, but nearly. Mad_Cheese_Eater - Truckstand - Manual move. a pivot [360 turn] in a manual / nose manual position. can be done with board upside down - one foot under board at tail end, other at front-side pushing the board around. - casper handstand - one handed handstand. legs bent at knee joint.

None of these are flip tricks. --Liface 15:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hardflip in this section is stated by doing a backside shuv with a flip, when it is actualy a front shuv with a flip.

popflip: a kickflip but instead of just kickfliping manual pop the tail and kicflipits not a manual to kickflip because you pop the tail on a popflip

[1] Barely any results. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Luganis: Named after the olympic diver. One first gets air, and then positions their feet side by side across the back truck. Ends up looking like a diver. Was pulled off in a pole jam by one of the riders for the Zero team in K.O.T.R. 2006.69.106.186.166 12:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[2] Not enough results. --Liface 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
It was done in Thrasher KOTR 2006 by 3 different people. Don't trust goodle, trust people who actually skate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Violask81976 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Rosflip: can be seen here: [[3]]. It is an half impossible and then flipped 1 1/2 underflip with the back foot.

[4] No results on google... --Liface 01:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Gorilla Flip: When the skater pushes down hard on the toe side of the board with his/her back foor and the board does a heelflip rotation without popping.

[5] Only 250+ results and most of these aren't even having to do with skateboarding. Also, I'm pretty sure most call this a pressure flip. --Liface 01:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, this is an presure flip. Also it could be called old-skool heelflip, in the time the ollie wasn't invented. J-Ros 14:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Nollie: It's basicaly an ollie except you pop the nose instead of the tail.

This is not a flip trick. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

What about 360 inward heelflip?

If we added that we would have to add a 360 for every trick on this page. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

what about small spin? they're like bigspin, but different.

Hmm, might be worthy of an addition. Anyone else have an opinion? --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

You are wrong about the hardflip: you are confusing a hardflip with a frontside varial kickflip. A hard flip is not a frontside shove-it combined with a kickflip but half a kickflip and half a rotation around the axis which runs along the middle of your deck, parallel to your trucks.

Bull pies... Show me a video of one and a video of the other. You'll never find a video of a perfectly flat frontside-shoveit kickflip, because it just ain't going to happen. Shreditor 23:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


i made up a trick that i can acctually land and i named it after my last name huf flip which is hardflip casperflip could that go on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.38.197 (talk) 05:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


What about forward flips/dolphin flips/murder flips? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlRuAPWurgk

[edit] Basics

What about Frontside / backside air?Professor marginalia 16:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

These are not flip tricks. --Liface 16:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Darkslide removed

Why is Darkslide in the grind section? It's already in the slide section.

[edit] Problems

This article is nothing but an originally-researched list containing how-to sections. It needs a major overhaul with proper sources and citations. -- VegitaU 03:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The definitions of skateboarding tricks are oral tradition. If you absolutely demand written sources, you might as well get rid of the page altogether because you won't find them. Shreditor 00:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Then, I'll nominate it for deletion. -- VegitaU 01:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
What is your sudden interest here? There are thousands of articles on Wikipedia without sources, and on subjects of far greater importance than skateboarding. Shreditor 03:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll edit whatever I want to edit…I believe I mentioned that to you already. If this article is of "little importance", as you say, it should be deleted. This is not a repository of lists, how to guides, and random information. Thanks for your concern! -- VegitaU 03:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
You didn't answer my question. Why the sudden interest in this particular article? Some of us have put a lot of work in to these articles. Whether or not a particular article meets with your approval, it's extremely rude to go around making repetitive edits and harrassing legitimate users over insignificant matters of style. And no, you don't get any extra points for being persistent. Shreditor 03:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)Why am I interested? Hmm... 'cause. How's that for an answer? I don't particularly want this article deleted out of a vendetta, but it fails many criteria that Wikipedia has placed for articles. If you improve it with necessary sources, instead of griping at me, it may very well become a decent page. -- VegitaU 03:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I improve it as I have time, but there are no sources to be found for skateboarding tricks that aren't also just a list written by some random guy. If you want to delete it, delete it. For all your vigilance, all you will have accomplished is to ruin someone else's work. Now, will that make you look like a smart editor or just a pathetic internet bully? Shreditor 04:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
As long as it's published, it should be good. It could be Skateboarding Tricks for Dummies or whatever. I'm sure there are many books out there on skateboarding. The problem arises that there's no real oversight here. Anyone can create a trick here. Here's one for example: Super-Dooper Trick: 920-degree flip backwards finishing with a one-armed handstand and three cartwheels. -- VegitaU 04:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
And, I keep telling you, THERE ARE NO PUBLISHED SOURCES. I realize anyone can make edits. That's why there are a few of us that screen those edits and revert as necessary. Shreditor 04:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
No published sources? You mean published sources like this or like this or like this? You're welcome. -- VegitaU 04:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I haven't read those books. I don't need to read those books. That's the first time I've seen books about skateboarding, because I've never had a need to go look for them. Do I need to go buy a book to know what a Heelflip is when I see people do them every time I'm at a skatepark? I think not. In any case: You found sources. You cite them. If you don't want to, then leave the article alone. Shreditor 04:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

(unindent)Heh. It's funny that after you so colorfully proclaim that "THERE ARE NO...SOURCES", I provide you with some and you flat out reject it. You don't need a source to do tricks, you need a source to write in Wikipedia about how to do the trick. You can do whatever, but this encyclopedia needs sources. Sources that I've provided you. If you don't want to make the effort to go to a library or search for something online, you really have no case here telling me that I'm a killjoy out to ruin people's work. -- VegitaU 04:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of those sources. In any case, it doesn't change a thing. I'm not going to run out to the library just to read some kids book on skateboarding so I can cite it here. As I said before, if you want sources so badly, you cite them. Essentially what you're saying here is I'm not going to help improve the article, but if you don't hurry up and improve this article I'll delete it. What the hell is wrong with that picture? Shreditor 00:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This is ridiculous

Please leave the prod template off until we can find some sources. --Liface 01:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Coming from the above discussion, it seemed to me that no one was interested in finding any sources. -- VegitaU 02:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I can find sources, but I'll do it when I'm good and ready. Shreditor 04:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I barely ever have time to edit Wikipedia anymore. Sorry. I don't run around like you making thousands of edits a day nominating articles for deletion which aren't hurting anyone. --Liface 07:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually I only make a little over a dozen per day. Aren't you the one with "over 8000 edits"? -- VegitaU 17:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I agree that the article is pretty much crap right now. If I had the time and the motivation, I could write far better descriptions of these tricks and probably find sources for most of them. However, why should I have to? This article is not hurting anyone or anything, and the lack of sources is only a technicality because there is no dispute about the definitions. VegitaU, I might also add that for someone who seems willing to spend hours on here every day supposedly to "help Wikipedia", your tone seems to imply more that you're here just to win the argument. Shreditor 00:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order

It would make more sense to have sections such as "Basic Flip Tricks" and order the tricks alphabetically in their respective groups. If this occurs, one could read the article from top to bottom and understand what a "Backside 360 shove-it with a kickflip" is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlaze (talk • contribs) 17:23, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea at all. You have to come up with some method of organizing it, perhaps in the order the tricks were invented or by type. Maybe we could even reformat it as an actual article rather than a list. Shreditor 19:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non Flip-Tricks

Hi - Any reason why the following are featured in an article on Flip Tricks?

Big Spin, Impossible, Late Shove-it, No Comply, Nollie, Ollie North, Pop Shuvit,

I was going to remove them, but I thought I'd check first. Steve-g 08:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

The Impossible and the Shove-it are technically flip tricks. --Liface 17:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, I can see how the impossible could be, but a shove-it? How come? Steve-g 19:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I know the board doesn't technically "flip" in a shove-it, but they're at least similar to other a flip trick in that they're an Ollie where the board comes off your feet, does something, and then you catch it and land. You could take the Ollie North out though. It's sort of an orphan. Shreditor 03:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

OK who took the boneless vairial heelflip off- Crazy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.90.240.114 (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC) can sume one edit the flip tricks sectin i just fixed it up and put in order but now someone messed the whole thing up plase help!!!!!

[edit] Sources

I've added references for ten tricks. I'll find more soon. Do we need to reference every trick before the Verifiability tag can be removed? Steve-g 10:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I vote that it be removed. The fact that we can find references proves we have good faith in knowing that all the tricks exist. --Liface 10:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Removed. And a few more references added. Steve-g 11:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The Most Basic Flip Tricks

I just put up the first four most basic tricks: kickflip, heelfip and (ftrontside/backside) Pop Shove-it

...hope no one minds but I think it's time we started categorising this page

If you don't like it then I'll give up while I'm ahead - don't waiste my time, I got lots of skateboarding to do in the next fortnight because I got other fellow renowned skateboarders coming my way, and I don't want to loose in a Game of "S.K.A.T.E." to them. (checkout the tricks their up against on my userpage)

P.S. I also added a heelflips page (or rather edited it) and removed the redirect...um...it's not the best job, but I was sort of hoping that someone would do a better job (I can't do all this on my own you know, I'm only one person)

P.P.S.S. comment on my talk page - I ain't watching anything. --Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 10:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Verifiable References, Sources and External Links

If people want References and Sources just quote one of the Category:Skateboarding video games, Category:Skateboarding magazines, Category:Skateboarding videos and/or Category:Skateboarding films found on wikipedia. If it's impractical due to technicalities then don't let them get away with it and revert back to a trick-tip-video such as: Tony Hawks Trick Tips Series and The First Step (claiming to be "the ultimate skateboarding trick tip series" - found at "the1ststep.com"). I know I only named two but I'm sure there's more out there. If all else fails try for a last resort at visiting youtube, I here they have unlimited videos on trick tips - WARNING don't waste your bandwidth on youtube, youtube is shitzzle...someone just came up with the idea of ripping everyone off and they have succeeded, join me in the march against youtube! --Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 11:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Basic Flip Tricks

I have also just added this section --Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 13:38, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] are you with me

If anyone out there is against what I'm doing please speak now...or forever hold your peace.
I won't edit this article until I recieve the verdict via this talk page and/or my own.
--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 14:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 180 Flips

I just don't know how to word it.
Okay, I don't care what you think (I'm contributing to the Skateboarding articles no matter what - if you call it vandalism then then delete my work and don't support my run for adminship), I chucked this up anyway - I actually have all of them (every single trick combination...and then some - they all have detailed descriptions of each and every trick, BUT I don't think that they will be acceptable here on wikipedia because people will probably say that it's just a how-to article and delete it and because I'm sure of it, I'm re-writing all of them and the only way to stop me is by blanking-out/deleting/removing my contributions to this article...because I'm only doing this once). --Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 16:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Other Flip Tricks

I would like to keep all of the information in this category/list - I know tricks like "Hardflip" should be moved up into "180 Flips" but I want to wait until I have finished editing/cotntributing/cleaning-up this page (This page is my number-one-priority) - I have plans for all that information and as to where to should be placed. I am requesting that you all bear with me on this as it is a project that I have taken the liberty of, at least trying to, Fulfill. --Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 03:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Shuv-off

Please note that a "Pop" Shove-it must be included as an essential flip trick and that "Shove-its without the Pop" cannot be included at all - the reason being that "normal Shove-its" are seldom used in combinations/variations of "Flip tricks" and therefore have been removed. That having been said, I suggest that we create a Shove-its page where all information on shove-its can be viewed (instead of not having them at all). This page should include (but is not limited to): Shove-its, Pop Shove-its, Street Shove-its. And I am more than happy to support/assist the creation of such a page.

--Panyé El Skat-é-board-ér 04:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)