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This is FleetCaptain's UserTalk page to allow discussion of editing on the [Hoofer Sailing Club] entry. I am starting this so that there may be a dialog among editors of that page rather than an editing / reversion war.

As this is written, I have undone what I see as vandalism of the article by the user Tortugadillo. Major points were simply deleted on the grounds that they were poorly written or made the article a "mess." While my writing might be more colorful, I do try to adhere to basic grammar. What I have attempted to do, with the assistance of at least one other editor, is provide more information about the Hoofer Sailing Club. While what was in the article when I started writing might be construed as true, or at least a valid opinion; it does not tell people much about what the Hoofer Sailing Club is, why it exists or why anyone would want to belong to it or notice it.

I am new to editing articles so may be clumsy in my editing attempts. The latest ones, though, have been intended to respect the ideas of the original contributor while providing the additional information that was lacking in the article. I have made numerous subheadings to allow for development of a Table of Contents and with the idea that the individual paragraphs may be expanded by others who are more knowledgeable about a certain area.

I am open to suggestions for how to make the article better. FleetCaptain (talk) 23:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Note from Tortugadillo

See my comments in the Hoofer Sailing Club discussion page.

You admit yourself (above) that you're new to article editing so maybe you should spend your time defacing the Hoofer website instead of Wikipedia. "Hoofer Sailing Club" simply does not warrant a huge article in Wikipedia with every little detail about ratings and how much food costs and how cute the pirate's costumes were last year etc, etc, which is about all you added.

I don't have any objection to a brief overview of fleets, but that was already mentioned in the article. Padding it out a bit is fine, and "fleets" could probably be its own section. But adding 30 more sections is absurd. It makes the article completely unreadable, which of course is your intent.

Wikipedia isn't "just list everything you can think of about a topic". It's an Encyclopedia. Btw, your grammar isn't more colorful... it's just banal and repetitive. (Tortugadillo (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Please check page before obliterating it again

Fleetcaptain, I've combined your basic info on the different boats (FJs, 420s, etc) into the page as it existed before your 39 edits on Feb 21. Please do not simply replace the page with another mess, please do not completely alter the layout as you did on Feb 21, and please do not delete content. If you want to make additions, great, but remember that Wikipedia articles should be concise, relevant, well organized, and supported with links to third-party websites, if possible. Much information can be provided simply by linking to other pre-existing Wiki pages as I've done with the I-20, 420s, E-scow, etc. Take a look. (Tortugadillo (talk) 10:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Reply

I've incorporated your information. I see what you mean about the dead links at the end of the article. This isn't something that I've done but is built into prior versions. I will fix the links.FleetCaptain (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Supervision cost

By the way, your assertion that "supervision cost" is also a determining factor in how many people can be allowed to teach lessons is nonsense. The head instructor doesn't have to be paid. Few if any of the instructors have to be paid. I'll bet you're paid, though, aren't you. (Tortugadillo (talk) 10:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Reply

I have been present at meetings where cost of supervision is raised as a reason for limiting the number of instructors. Currently supervision is provided by paid personnel, but even if it were done by volunteers, it is a real cost. Volunteers have limits in how much they are willing to give. I am a volunteer. FleetCaptain (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] your behavior

It's really bad etiquette to start editing the page when someone else is currently editing it. (70.226.130.55 (talk) 03:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Heading edits to Hoofer Sailing Club article

You asked why I changed the sub headings in Hoofer Sailing Club. It's a stylistic issue, where it is thought better to put the link in the first part of the text paragraph than the heading. Usually this can easily be achieved, as was mostly the case in this article. See MOS:LINK - Do not link items in the title or headers. BTW I looked at the page in the first place as I monitor common spelling mistakes from time to time. Best wishes. Welsh (talk) 13:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hoofer Sailing Club

Another editor has added the {{prod}} template to the article Hoofer Sailing Club, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the editor doesn't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and has explained why in the article (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia or discuss the relevant issues at its talk page. If you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. BJBot (talk) 18:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reference placement

Just wanted to let you know that your placement of a reference in Hoofer Sailing Club was correct (you asked in your edit summary). When more than one reference is presented in one sentence, you should put the reference after the fact it supports. --Gimme danger (talk) 19:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images and Potential Copyright Infringement

FleetCaptain, you have to be very careful about adding images and image links to Wikipedia. Before adding any, have you checked that (1) the images are "free content" (i.e., we're not violating any copyrights by using them), (2) they're necessary for the article (i.e., we're complying with Wikipedia's policies on external links (see WP:EXTERNAL) and (3) we're also not violating turning the article in to a link farm (which I don't think we're at yet, but worth mentioning.)? I'm not suggesting that you did anything wrong. I'm only hoping that you looked into all of this before adding them. Thanks, J Readings (talk) 23:41, 17 March 2008 (UTC)