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[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Items and concepts in FLCL

Active contributors to this article may be interested in commenting at the deletion discussion that I have started for Items and concepts in FLCL. Leebo T/C 18:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fuji Rabbit or Vespa?

Haruko's vehicle is a Fuji Rabbit or a Vespa? She's refered as "The Vespa Woman" in the anime... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.40.35.83 (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not certain, but I know the specific model is discussed in the commentary track of the DVDs. It is modeled after a broken vespa owned by the director (as shown in the ending credits). -Verdatum (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Haruko rides an early-seventies Vespa, Aramaro rides a Fuji Rabbit. The 'P!' sticker on Haruko's Vespa refers to the Pillows, the j-rockers responsoble for the soundtrack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.252.214 (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC) Okay since people seem to agree that her's is a vespa i'll change the part that says her's is a rabbit. 71.65.34.160 (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Someone should add this translation notes?

Found here: http://www.synch-point.com/production/flcl/flcl-notes1.html Maybe what are you calling "Trivia" should be calling "Translation notes" and the rest should go with the characters section. I don't do it myself because I'm horrible with english. 200.45.167.54 05:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mamimi's Camera

Hi everyone. I noticed that the article informs you as to what type of guitar is used by Atomsk, Haruhara Haruko, and Naota, etc., and also the vehicles that some of the characters drive. I hope this is not too minor of a detail, but I was wondering if it might be useful for someone to add what specific model of Olympus camera Mamimi uses, or to add that Mamimi apparently uses an Olympus camera. Thank you.-- One more saturday 22:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Quick Fail

This GA nom has quick failed because 6 images on the article do not have appropriate fair use rationales. Thus, it meets the quick fail criteria. When you fix these problems, please resubmit it. - G1ggy Talk/Contribs 22:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Space Pirate

I've taken the liberty of removing the 'space pirate' characterization of Haruko, as I'm unaware of any reason to support that statement, and, indeed, one notes that WP's entry for her characterizes her as I've amended the entry. TealCyfre0 20:54, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Omission of Manga?

The article needs at least to mention that there is a manga for FLCL. What are the differences and similarities between the manga and anime?

Timothy Perper 14:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] how is FLCL seinen

topic —Preceding unsigned comment added by IguanarayD: (talk • contribs) 22:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The manga was published in Magazine Z.--Nohansen 17:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ep2 Haibane_Renmei references

? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.122.254.139 (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metaphors

Why don't you get into the metaphorical content of Flcl? FLCL is an amazing work of symbolic Animation and revolutionary in the way it's directed. It's episodic, but it's not entirely linear and borders on experimental in sequence.

Medical Mechanica smoothing out the wrinkles in our brains=Cultural homogenization/conformity/uniformity and industrialization that flattens the beauty of native life/the destruction of the individual and individuality/ the imposition of sameness

What is the significance of the many hands? They are a prevalent icon. Guitars? What do they symbolise? These are new symbols being used with deep significance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Watches-Crows (talk • contribs)

Read WP:OR.--SeizureDog 17:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Haruko's Description

I hate to nitpick, but how can Haruko be Mabase's newest resident, if Canti is an even newer resident? I think that should be reworded. -Verdatum (talk) 15:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You’re free to change it if you see fit. I guess the distinction would be in considering a machine to be a legal resident. But that’s way over-thinking it, so just reword it somehow if you’d like :) Leebo T/C 15:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Heh, I should've mentioned I couldn't think of a better alternative opening line, else I would've just fixed it. If someone wants to fix it, good. Else I'll just think about it. -Verdatum (talk) 16:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging of episodes into a list

This has been raised on the WP Anime talk page. BrokenSphereMsg me 06:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ecchi

I know im gonna regret bringing this up but FLCL is an Ecchi! Because an Ecchi has Sexually Erotic Events! Like upskirt, Terms, nudity, and Id say FLCL fits in there! So I demand an explanation on why I dont see Ecchi as a genre!--LoliMedia (talk) 13:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

No it's not. The series has a lot of sexual references, sure, but they're not easy to catch. You have to look at the intent of the creators and the director in including such elements. Were they trying to arouse or titillate? Are the characters presented in an obviously sexual way? A similar discussion came up on the Ranma ½ talk page largely because of the numerous instances of nudity that crop up in the series. This is like saying that just because a movie has a sex scene in it that that makes it a porno. BrokenSphereMsg me 17:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

(-_-)Since when have Director and Producers desided on the Genre? Isnt genre typically discribed by the Critics and Viewers? You know what forget it! If the creator wasnt making a Homerun Swing towards Ecchi then...there is so much Sex Scenes in that [[Anime I cant even count it...well I wont! Even the Name "FOOLY COOLY" screams out, "Hello?! Over here! Im an Ecchi! How many Upskirts, Near Sex Scenes, and Sexual Terms do I need to use?!" That Anime has more Sex Related S*&% in it then a High School Sex Ed. Class! If you can...how do you even know he or She wasnt Swing for an Ecchi? There's more Sexual Inndondo used then The Todd used in the Entire TV Series of Scrubs! I think I've said enought! I dont wanna start Wiki War I! So you win then! Im here to help not to hurt! Happy Editing! =^_^= --LoliMedia (talk) 18:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you're trying to get this anime classified as an ecchi. This isn't the same thing as Ikkitousen, where the viewer can immediately grasp that the characters and situations are presented in such a way as to titillate the audience. There you have female fighters with large breasts and in short skirts running around. The FLCL characters are not sexualized in a similar way. Like I said, a lot of the sexual references in FLCL are hard to catch because they are subtle or are shown very quickly. The audience will likely not immediately grasp them unless they go back and read an analysis that they're even present, like I had to do. I had to think why this series might be classified as ecchi. If that has to happen, then the series clearly is not. BrokenSphereMsg me 19:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There is a simple solution to this. LoliMedia, if you can find a reputable source that declares FLCL is an ecchi anime, then we can potentially add this to the article. If not, then you are synthesizing information from the definition of ecchi and the content of FLCL. That is a classic form of Original Research, which does not belong on Wikipedia. (Also, you may want to take a look at your keyboard. Someone seems to have flipped your period (.) and exclaimation mark (!) keys.) -Verdatum (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

LoliMedia's argument reminds me of Lolicon-r.us's comments in FLCL's peer review. Neither had any evidence of FLCL's "ecchiness" but both are convinced it is ecchi.--Nohansen (talk) 20:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


Um, I hate to say this, but FLCL is actually classified as an Ecchi on other websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.135.102 (talk) 22:30, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I know of no reliable website that does this. Not even Anime News Network, which tends to go overboard with genres, (ANN has Mushi-Shi as "Adventure, Drama, Fantasy, Horror, Mystery, Psychological, Supernatural") classifies FLCL as ecchi. If you know of any (reliable websites) that do, please provide the link.--Nohansen (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I also feel that FLCL is NOT an ecchi anime by any means. It just has a few sexual scenes in it, no more then any other tv/anime show. - Prede (talk) 04:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Music of FLCL

I propose Addict (soundtrack), King of Pirates and FLCL No. 3 be merged into a Music of FLCL article.--Nohansen (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

That sounds like a reasonable idea to me. None of the album articles are much more than a track listing, and since they are a bit old at this point, I doubt they will signifigantly expand any time soon, and most content would be common amongst them. -Verdatum (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Music of FLCL. Done.--Nohansen (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Bass

According to the article, it's a Rickenbacker 4001. I think it's a 4003, because I've never seen the "skunk stripe" that the 4001 has down the back of the neck. Did I completely miss it, or is it, in fact, a 4003? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.89.251.220 (talk) 17:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't ultimately matter what you think it is, since that would qualify as original research. It has to be listed according to whatever source was used; therefore, if it's wrong here, that means that the source in question also has it wrong. —Dinoguy1000 18:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Pehaps you should fidn a new scource and compare them both. If the new one says it is a 4003 then the old scource was incorrect. - Prede (talk) 04:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as how the original declaration of 4001 is unsourced, there's no way to compare sources. Also, Her bass is a left-handed, blue 4003 http://www.rickenbacker.com/model.asp?model=4003 . It might be deemed as original research, but looking at the official picture from the wiki article, and this one from rickenbacker.com, really shows the similarity. I'm going to change the wikipedia entry to 4003 while I look for some official word on the bass that I can cite. -FredMcElk (I'll create an account one of these days) 69.251.129.226 (talk) 03:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
The link you have provided does not work. Try and find a source that states what guitar she uses. Perhaps some website states it, or it states so in the anime (can't remember) or manga (been awhile sense I read it ) - Prede (talk) 01:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
If no reliable source can be found within a week's time that states unambiguously what model of guitar is used by Haruka, Naota, etc., I'm going to go ahead and remove those specific statements. If this happens, remember that they can always be added at a later time should a source be found. —Dinoguy1000 20:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable to me. I seem to recall the bass being discussed in the commentary track for the american release, but I'm personally too lazy to review it, I don't think it sufficiently effects the article one way or another if it specifies the model of the bass or not.-Verdatum (talk) 21:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freudian symbolism

I feel that fooly cooly is about Melta's (Naota's) coming of age, i.e. beginning to explore his sexuality. Most of the story is evidently Freudian symbolism for sex. Notice the emphasis on his learning to "swing the bat". And the competition with and murder of his father is part of the Oedipus complex. JRSpriggs (talk) 08:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The only problem with that is it constitutes original research, and so is unusable here unless you can provide a verifiable source for it. —Dinoguy1000 18:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Characters

So i noticed that the character area is a little small, it only mentions what? 4, 5 characters? there are planty of major characters that should be mentioned. not that two guys that chill with naota and ninamori, but Kamon or the eye brows dude. just sayin.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.12.52 (talk • contribs)

I believe they are talked about in detail under List of FLCL characters- Prede (talk) 04:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weird Wording in First Part

"The industrail town houses and medical mechanica..." What is this trying to say? This is very oddly confusingly worded/written. Are you trying to say "The industrial town's houses and the Medical Mechanica building are the reason for Haruhara Haruko's visit to the usually quiet suburb." meaning the houses in the town and med. mec. building is why she visisted? Or are you trying to say "The industrial towns houses the Medical Mechanica building. It is this bulding that made Haruhara Haruko visit this usually quiet suburb." Or somethign else? I made it the first one right now but if that is wrong please fix it. All I know is what it was before I fixed it made no sense. Whatever is trying to be said should be written more clearly. -Prede (talk) 04:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bildungsroman

I can appreciate the edits to the genre. It is true, all definitions I can find for the term Bildungsroman specify that it is a type of novel. Still, the intent of the genre applies. (One possible argument could be that the script is effectively a novella, but I do not press this issue). FLCL is in essense a coming-of-age story, and I frequently see it described as such...Anyway, I'm not really sure what I wanna see. I had no objection to Bildungsroman being stretched to include other storytelling mediums. One alternative would be to add "coming of age" to the genre list. If it were to wikilink to something, it probably should be Bildungsroman though, as the Coming of age article focuses on social aspects, not artistic/literary aspects. Another alternative is to just not be so uptight about the genre field, and simply describe it as a coming of age story in the main article (with reference, naturally). This is probably the easiest solution, I can never get terribly passionate about edit disagreements on fiction articles. I'd like to read other people's input though. -Verdatum (talk) 16:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd say leave it as "Bildungsroman " or write it as "Coming of Age story" and link it to Bildungsroman - Prede (talk) 21:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bunny suit

well i was wondering in epsiode 5 when haruko was flying in why was she whering a bunny suit? do they really have those in real life? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiravsL7 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see what this has to do with the content of this article. I doubt a source could be found explaining the bunny suit... -Verdatum (talk) 14:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I guess so but it still puzzles me and why did she where it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KiravsL7 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The bunny suit is a reference to the Daicon IV animation created by Gainax staffers before they established the Gainax studio. It is not related (as far as I know) to the Playboy Bunnies.--Nohansen (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that bunny suit. Yes, at that point in the action, the character actually says "Daicon V!" (both in english and japanese if I recall). It's a pretty blatent allusion. -Verdatum (talk) 17:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)