Talk:Flair bartending

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Contents 1 Wikification 2 Clean-up 3 External links 4 removed 2008 June 6

[edit] Wikification

I began wikifying this article today, but I'm way too tired to finish. It still requires the last several paragraphs to be fit into the earlier edits, in particular the unformatted list of "notable" people and the other stuff. Lots more brackets to put in to link to more sites. However, I've started the process. If somebody else wants to finish, that's fine, but I'll check back when I can. 10:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been a long time since I last tried to fix this article, but I think I've finished Wikifying it. There are still a LOT of problems here. I don't know anything about Flair bartending, so I just took out information I felt was superfluous and finished wikifying the article. I removed the tag, and I feel like it's much more tolerable now. What this article really needs now is someone who is actually experienced with Flair Bartending, to confim and help to streamline this information. The original author of the page didn't cite any sources, so I'm afraid I can't honestly say that the information in here is correct. There seems to be POV problems. Hopefully the next person to come along and fix up the article will know how to do it better than I. 66.82.9.85 01:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on cleaning this up a bit. It seems to only cover flair in the USA and US competitions etc. I'm gonna add a section on flair tricks or moves, ie rolls, stalls, flips, pours, grip changes, glass tricks, ice tricks. I'll mention Cocktail and possibly a section on flair bars in london and around the world and try to hack back all that long and bloody boring competition stuff. Please feel free to make suggestions. MrFire 21:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

I would help in cleaning this up, but I know next to nothing about the subject. Some questions:

• Is it "flair bartending" (as in "to do something with flair") or "Flair bartending", as if "Flair" is a brand name or trademark? The article uses both cases.
• Is "flair" actually used as a verb and "flairing" as a synonym of the activity, or are these nonce terms invented for the article? The article should make it clear what these terms mean; for example: "Flair bartending, also known as flairing, ...", with suitable references. — Paul G 13:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"the word Flair became popular among it peers in the mid 1990s" - incorrect English (confusing, as well), but I'm new, so could someone fix this?

• "Also used as a verb (e.g "to be flairing")," This is not a verb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.144.18.242 (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

It seems most editors think the majority of the external links at the moment are inappropriate at best, possibly even spam. Could any editor who supports the links, especially to the commercial services, make a case for keeping them in an encyclopedia? thanks. -- SiobhanHansa 18:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed 2008 June 6

I removed the following:

"Today, good flair should be light-hearted and entertaining while making quality cocktails. "

-when is "Today", when I read this a year from now or a decade from now?

and

-WP:NOT wikikipedia is not a how-to, wikipedia doesn't say what "should" or "shouldn't" be done. (NPOV)

"Some in the flair bartending world believe the current benchmark for "ranking" flair bartenders is the FBA Pro Tour Leader Board, a points race based on attendance and success at FBA-sponsored competitions."

-"Some" is is weaelly, "believe" is dubious, we cannot know what anyone 'believes'...

I have attempted to retain the value of this statement by replacing it with:

"The FBA Pro Tour Leader Board is a points race based on attendance and success at FBA-sponsored competitions."

Additionally the entire page is full of uncited assertions of fact, and seems to me to intentionally highlight commercial interests. All assertions of fact and statements of opinion need to be referenced and attributed.

But the article is still a nice addition to the dexterity play and object manipulation constellation on WP. User:Pedant (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)