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Why should animals and beasts always appear with the heads facing the flag-staff side? I can't sem to find an answer on the internet and my encyclopedia doesn't mention the rule. Thank you! Kealoha_777@yahoo.com

Contents 1 Definitions of Hoist, Fly 2 Merge from Vexillological symbol 3 2007-02-1 Automated pywikipediabot message 4 Air force ensigns and war flags 5 Red =/= orange 6 National flag variants by use

[edit] Definitions of Hoist, Fly

I'm confused. The definitions of hoist and fly used on this page don't seem to match those used elsewhere online (for example in the picture that I just added. Any thoughts? I'll go check the OED right now to see what it has to say about the matter. --Jacobolus 04:25, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You obviously didn't look hard enough. Here are some links:

• Flag Terminology Parts of a Flag
• Ausflag - Vexillological Terms
• Flag terminology and flag protocols - a quick guide.
• Common Flag Terminology - World Flags 101

I also have some flag books that use the hoist and fly definitions as described in the above links. – AxSkov (T) 07:22, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That all said, the picture of the flag shows the "hoist" being in the middle of the flag, not the part closest to the pole, as it should be. CsikosLo 13:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Vexillological symbol

Vexillological symbol was just merged into and redirected to this page. -Harmil 20:16, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Air force ensigns and war flags

It is not clear to me that air force ensigns are distinct from war flags. Please could we have a citation / clarification. Greenshed 00:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Though a broad reading of "war flag" as any variant national flag flown on land by a military organization would include air force ensigns as one type, it appears that a narrower reading is generally used by vexillologists -- at least as reflected by their main online forum, the Flags of the World website. I've been unable to find an air force ensign listed there that is tagged with the FIAV "war flag" symbol. Most aren't tagged with any of these symbols, suggesting such flags are outside the scope of that nomenclature. (One counter-example to this is Air Force Ensign 1931-1939 (Spain) at Flags of the World, but that's tagged as a "naval ensign", not a "war flag".) At least one prolific vexillologist, Zeljko Heimer, has proposed a set of 3x3 grid symbols to augment the 2x3 grids used to define war flags, etc.; the extra row would be for "air flags" (presumeably for civil, state, and war versions). Though this hasn't been officially endorsed, it is consistent with the idea that "war flag" is generally not intended to include air force ensigns.
All that being said, however, I wouldn't object to different example being used to illustrate the point that the 2x3 grid system doesn't fully describe all the distinctions made in practice by various countries. "War flag" is a confusing term! --ScottMainwaring 04:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red =/= orange

I don't think there's such terminology that the word "red" should mean "orange" in vexillology, is there? If there isn't, the Image:Flag of Niger.svg should be modified, I guess, in accordance with the article. What do you think? Adam78 16:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] National flag variants by use

Those little six-partitioned designs need some kind of explanation. CsikosLo 13:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)