Talk:Flag of the Philippines

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[edit] Request

Can somebody upload a vertical version of the flag? My computer programs are crap. --Howard the Duck 13:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, about 11 months later after your request :P User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 09:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Yay --Howard the Duck 16:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] GA nomination hold

Overall its very good, but a few small points I'd like to see addressed. It's well written but perhaps you could look at usage and see if you can turn the lists into prose, I'm thinking mainly of the second list, why does that need bullet points? Could you try to blue those two red links you have? One last point, "It was displayed in battle on 28 May 1898" - it would be good to know more on the battle, is there a page on that?

Your sources seem to back most of it up but are displayed mid paragraph, as a result it seems as though there is insufficient citation. Either more citation or display your current ones better. Second, is there a slightly more academic source that FOTW? Okay if there isn't but I've never entirely trusted it as a main source. Everything else seems okay but it would be good to have an image of a real flag flying. - J Logan t/c: 09:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll look on Flickr for a photo of the flag. Pretty much for the Philippines flag, there is a lot of unknowns about it. I can try and fact check it eventually. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I have a nice free image of a flag. I'll upload it and address other concerns soon (within 24 hours). TheCoffee 17:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination success

Okay, well done all, I'm happy to give thumbs up to this as a good article (as of 23rd June 2007). This is how it compares to the six criteria.

It is well written; The text appears to be clear and well written, no grammar problems I can see. Overall it follows standards with appropriate size and coverage of sections.

It is factually accurate; No original research. The majority of the article is covered by inline citations which link to reliable sources, but greater coverage would be welcome.

It is broad in its coverage; It covers all the appropriate areas while sticking to the subject. Nothing is longer than it ought to be or significantly lacking in detail. It is

neutral; The whole thing appears technical without any kind of bias that I can see. I am not aware of any particular viewpoints that may be missing from this.

It is stable; There has been some minor vandalism but nothing very recent or worrying. Large sections have been changed and added but mainly in the improvement of the article to its current state. Aside from those improvements I don't see any major instability, nothing that looks like a future problem at least. Also, only a few anonymous edits, work is mainly by committed project editors. '

images'; All images completely illustrate the topic and have appropriate captions, although "section 10" may be too much detail. All are public domain.

Yes, so I've pointed out a few things but they are no problem to GA as far as I can see, but things you may want to consider. Good work everyone. - J Logan t/c: 12:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Sorry I haven't been able to devote myself as much as I hope to addressing all the issues brought up, but most of the bigger issues were corrected. TheCoffee 03:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other flags

The position of the sun and stars seems to be wrong as compared with...

...this.

Also we'd need to know to find out the exact dates these flags were used so we can modify the country data templates. --Howard the Duck 09:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Unless the sun and start positions changed, I tried to keep the positions the same with the SVG images I did. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:26, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
If you'll use the tabbed features of Firefox, and have a pseudo-slide show of the three flags, the current one has bigger sun and stars. --Howard the Duck 02:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I have the browser, but I barely see the changes. However, what I was getting at with my last comment is this: was there a different way the sun and stars were official displayed on the flag of they stayed the same since the 1930's when MLQ made the Philippines flag law? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
That's odd, I can swear the middle pic's sun and stars are slightly bigger than those at the left and right. I suppose the sun and stars were pretty much the same throughout history, only the colors of the blue (and perhaps the red) changed. I dunno though about minute details like the apex of the stars pointing to the corner and equator, etc. --Howard the Duck 04:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I still can't see anything huge, unless it is a mediawiki/monitor issue. But I can see if I can try and fix it asap. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed the red on the center flag is darker. Can the other flags also have a darker shade of red? --Howard the Duck 04:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

No. I had the SVG looked at by MLQ3 and said that was legit to use. I took my colors from the Philippines Government websites. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I actually edited the flag country data template for the Philippines so I'd be doing (mass) changes. So does that mean that the red color that is used now was different from the earlier flags? You can check it out for mistakes. And I'll be adding these two flags at the article too. --Howard the Duck 12:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Jack

Shouldn't the Philippine naval jack deserve mention in this article? (or if not, it's own article?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.60.243.115 (talk) 03:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marcela's daughter

Lorenza, Marcela's eldest daughter wrote something about the flag, I think the original description of the flag. See Marcela de Agoncillo and browse on the images or go here. --βritand&βeyonce (talk•contribs) 06:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Flag used from 1908 to 1919"

The U.S. flag actually changed again in 1912... AnonMoos (talk) 23:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Folding?

Is not the Filipino flag folded in a triangle (like the US flag? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 13:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Display on wall in peace and in war

There seems to be some confusion about the orientation of the flag when hanging on a wall. A flag is not simply rotated from horizontal 90 degrees for vertical display, but also flipped. The "top" part when displayed horizontally is in the more important part vertically, which is the *LEFT* from the viewer's perspective. See Flag protocol#Hanging and [1] for examples. (When a flag may be viewed from either side, the chief part would be placed to the north or east.) Thus Image:Flag of the Philippines (vertical display).svg (BLUE TO THE LEFT) says it is a "Rotation of Image:Flag of the Philippines.svg into a vertical display", and that's a flag with BLUE ON TOP. It may be confusing that heraldry refers to directions opposite of the viewer, but that's why act 8491 specifies exactly how it looks to an observer, saying quite clearly "if in a hanging position, the blue field shall be to the right (left of the observer) in time of peace". The hanging image used here has BLUE TO THE LEFT, and a drawing is typically made from the perspective of the observer. Gimmetrow 21:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The image used in the article referring to how the flag is displayed on a wall is correct; the blue field is on the observer's left. — • Kurt Guirnela • ‡ Feedback 06:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)