Talk:Flag of Yugoslavia

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[edit] Cite something or stop

Maybe our dear community do not know what nosense R-41 tryed to impose to this community. He tried to push the Naval Ensign of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (which were called Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes at one point) as the State flag. He has done this because wanted to show simmilarity with todays State flag of Serbia. R-41 attempted to use colours that were previously used for the Flag of the Republic of Serbia, and he has tryed to do the same with the newly agreed colours (that were in fact closest to the official ones in the Recommendation) - doubly trying to do such offense. He tryed to use Serbian colours for the flags of Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Also he constantly push for existance of the State flag of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia (Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes), that never existed as official flag but was briefly used (and that brief usage is dubious, without sources and proofs). The only flag of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was blue, white, red banner used as a national flag (which means in FIAV as the civil, state and war flag), it was also used as the Civil Ensign and the State Ensign. Only the Naval Ensign used the Lesser CoA of the Kingdom.

Imbris (talk) 22:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Translation from that Italian site goes like this:

National flag, of state and commercial navy adopted in 1918 and abolished in the beginning of April 1941 with the German occupation. The chosen colours for the flag of the unified kingdom were the same ones in various sequences of those of the three nations that constituted it. And they were the Pan Slavic colours. After 1922, on the state flag, the Coat of arms with the double headed eagle was sometimes placed bringing on the chest a Coat of arms of the three countries, Serbia, Croatia and, in tip, Slovenia; however the flag of the official state was that cleaning up of it.

Imbris (talk) 21:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Keep article

There are not separate flag articles for each segment of Germany's government nature (i.e. German Empire, Weimar Republic, Nazi Germany, West Germany, East Germany) a Yugoslav state existed in different names and forms from 1918 to 2006, the separate articles for each of the different states called Yugoslavia were far too short and unnecessary--R-41 (talk) 01:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Nevertheless of that German "unification" of all in the same (one) article there is a big difference there. Yugoslavia as a state of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs existed in virtually unchanged territory from 1918 to 1941, soon were emancipated Montenegrins, Macedonians, Muslims (to a lesser degree Vojvodinians and Kosovans). This entity existed up to 1991. Serbia and Montenegro should have its own article which would be called Flag of the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro and portray even that Pantone 300C for blue proposal. So I am changing the proposal to split the article in two.

  • Flag of Yugoslavia (Kingdom era and Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia era)
  • Flag of the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro (for the period in which the two were in union, FRY, SCG).

Imbris (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

To Imbris, I have already conceded to Rainman about the colours of the Royal Yugoslav flag, it was presumptuous of me to assume that they would be the same as Serbia's, I assumed so because the coat of arms of the flags appear to be related, but it was wrong to impose assumptions. People have accused me of trying to impose my views, I am sorry if I have been too pushy, I just want to replace as many of the rastered images for coat of arms and flags with SVG images. I found sources for each of the flags I have uploaded, the sources for the state flag of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia comes from that Italian webpage and a Croatian webpage, just click here [1] and [2] to see. As you can see, I didn't make up the flag out of thin air, it was an error on my part to trust the sources, I'm sorry--R-41 (talk) 01:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I do not object this flag to be present in the article, just unofficial should stay. -- Imbris (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

No need to be modest, an unofficial flag shouldn't be on the page. A new problem has arisen, it is about the colours of the tricolour, and whether the Pantone colour shades described at the Flags of the World (FOTW) for the FRY should be considered official Yugoslav colours, as they are the only ones I've seen described. If not which colours should be used? I suppose a new flag page for the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro could be made as it was not officially a Yugoslav state, just a confederation, I think the FRY flag could still remain on the "Flag of Yugoslavia" article, unless we are going to take into account the lack of UN recognition of the FRY as a direct successor of the SFRY. I'll support either option if there is enough support for one or the other.--R-41 (talk) 03:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

FRY could not be considered as a solemnly successor of SFRY so its flag should go into the Flag of Serbia and Montenegro. In the article Flag of Yugoslavia we could have wikilinks to all of the flag articles of former Yugoslav republics and autonomous provinces (of Serbia and the SFRY).

Like:

FR Yugoslavia should be included in the Flag of Serbia and Montenegro.

Imbris (talk) 21:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)