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[edit] Vandalism

I don't know how to revert pages, but someone has vandalized the "Recreational Fishing" portion of this article. Someone needs to fix this. Cereal Box Conspiracy 20:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article Status

This article did not make it to featured article status. That is a pity, perhaps the application was a little premature. Still, Fishing does have the makings a very good and possible feature-quality article. Let us see it we can do it! Gaius Cornelius 22:15, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Anglers Rest Image

Hi!

Anglers Rest, a popular recreational fishing destination on the Cobungra River - Removed image
Anglers Rest, a popular recreational fishing destination on the Cobungra River - Removed image

I'm just a visitor to this article, and before I start a revert war I'd like to put it up for discussion: Should the Anglers Rest Image be included? Personally I feel it is valuable because it shows a popular recreational fishing river. But lets see what the community thinks. --Fir0002 22:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The picture is not appropriate here. Removing it was the right thing to do. Gaius Cornelius 17:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Gaius Cornelius, and support the removal. Arnejohs 19:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Surf fishing

is missing. Or is it listed by another name, if so I missed it. Montara State Beach has surf fishing. meatclerk 05:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what surf fishing is. If it is essentially and 'invented sport' then, if it belongs anywhere in Wikipedia, it would be more appropriate under angling or sport fishing. If it is a very popular sport, or is some other way notable, it might deserve an article of its own. Gaius Cornelius 07:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Your note raises an interesting general point: what does and what does not belong in the fishing article. I would say that the article should reflect the practice of fishing throughout the world and throughout history and that the techniques mentioned should be economically or culturally significant to the people who practice it. To this might be added practices that are scientifically significant. Some feedback to establish the consensus would be helpful here. Gaius Cornelius 07:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

If this helps, Surf Fishing is essentially line fishing, but you are casting into the surf. I'm not sure what one will catch, as I've never done this. It would also fit under native american fishing, also oddities, like some movies show this, even tv shows. So, is it a valid fishing method? I'm not 100% sure, but I can bet State of California has laws for it. meatclerk 09:33, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Surf fishing is a form of angling and, if it merits a home on Wikipedia, should probably live in the angling article. One might also argue that surf fishing really is a form of recreational fishing, since I'm not aware of any subsistence or commercial fisheries that use surf fishing. I think it's inappropriate to try to list every type of angling or every conceivable sort of net or, whatever, in the fishing article. In my opinion, the fishing article should be about fishing in the broadest sense of that word. There are, or should be, other articles to amplify specific kinds of fishing. See, the way I see the hierarchy is this: the fishing article is about the elements that are common to all types of fishing and not about any specific form of fishing. A descendant of the fishing article is the angling article which is about the elements common to all types of angling, whether that be commercial long-line angling fisheries or fly-fishing for sport or any other form of angling. A descendant of the angling article might be the recreationl fishing article which is about the elements that are common to all forms of recreational fishing, etc, etc, etc. Of course, this is only my vision so I'd welcome anyone to tell me I'm full of excrement. — Dave 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Now, that I have had some sleep - I am fairly confident I could find a reference for commercial surf fishing, as well as native american surf fishing. I believe it does belong under the modern angling section for recreational fishing. Now that I've had some sleep on this, the things one could catch include eel, and salmon.

On that commercial surf fishing there should be some material. Eel on the surf is common. Some use "pokie poles" and local fishermen from Pillar Point (north of Half Moon Bay, CA) have been known for this and surf fishing. Chinese were known for all types of fishing on the coast, from Half Moon Bay to San Francisco. SF has a "China Beach" which was an early fishing village in a ravine. They used it to avoid being beaten up by white bigots - well known local history. They did surf fishing along with abalone and whaling.

To all this I'm sure there is commerial surf fishing from New Jersey (sp?) to Florida, however now mostly recreational - as is here now. meatclerk 16:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Surf fishing is very popular in South East Queensland Australia. The majority of participants are recreational. Surf Fishing is undertaken regularly as a formal competitive sport - but most participants are undertaking fishing as a recreational past time. The opening line of this article presents the definition of fishing as hunting for fish. I don't associate fishing necessarily with hunting. We also have fishing here as part of indiginous livliehoods and also commercial surf fishing. We have people who undertake fishing from their surf boards - instead of casting. Sit around with a line while waiting for the waves to come through. Popular commercial surf fishing is for Sea Mullet. Recreational species for us that cause a frenzy are Tailor. When the tailor are running you can see 4WDs parked on the beach like a shopping centre and people standing shoulder to shoulder fishing into a gutter into the surf - how the lines don't tangle more often then they do is a mystery. Other fish that are commonly caught in the surf at any time of year include dart, bream, whiting and flathead. We often experience conflict between surf fishing, surfing and swimming all targeting the same beach at the same time. 22 December 2006 (SEQ Guest)

[edit] saltwater fishing.

This text was added to the article; it needs to be cleaned up before being included.

Saltwater fishing is classified in two groups. Group A inshore which includes canals, bays, beach, ... THe many variety of fish include snook, redfish, and sea trout as the most popular inshore fish in florida though there are many more. As for group B which is offshore that includes the Oceans and Gulfs. In Florida some of the popular fish include grouper, snapper, dolphin (mahi mahi) and more. Most offshore fishing takes larger boats inorder to counter act the high intensity of the waves. As for inshore fishing which takes a very boyant boat some are called a flats boat.Depending on the type of fishing and species of fish someone is targeting will depend on the tackle and bait needed. -- phoebe 07:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of fishing ports by country

Does this list exist? List of North American fishing ports, List of Brazilian fishing ports, List of Thai fishing ports, List of eastern Pacific ocean fishing ports? I live near New Bedford, Massachusetts and every year the port finishes in the top ten, for the USA. --McTrixie 21:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ask for translation

I have drawn this diagram, but I do not know the name of the parts in English, maybe somebody can provide a caption and a use for this image. Chabacano 23:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks to the anonymous helper :) Chabacano 14:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup necessary

The article needs some cleaning up. There's a lot of random bolding and redundancies in areas, while some sections require rewriting in a more encyclopedic tone. Isopropyl 04:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Very true. The section on recreational fishing is disproportionately long. Part of this article's problems are caused by well-meaning but lazy contributors who do not seem to bother with reading the whole article before adding inappropriate content; and the article attracts vandals and spam linkers. Perhaps we could get it semi-protected? Gaius Cornelius 12:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger from Sport fishing, potential for split along different lines

There had been a discussion to merge Sport fishing and Angling, but as sport fishing is not a subset of angling it does not make sense to merge them thus. I have therefore merged the info here under the "modern fishing" subsection.

However this article has become rather long, and already was before the addition of that information. Having "sport fishing" forked off on its own didn't seem to make a lot of sense, but a split somewhere else might be better. Perhaps fork out the entire "modern fishing" section into its own article? Arkyan • (talk) 21:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fishing Article Improvement

Please see Fishing Proposal Page for more information about other things to be done regarding this project


Its about time to put this task which is the need to lessen the size of the Fishing article without loosing any of the important information in our priority list. This move is still apart of our move to objective to thoughtfully organize articles on fishing (see WikiProject Fishing). I would like to ask for your (each and everyone concerned) help, assistance, and approval for this move. I am planning to do the following revisions right after your approval:

  • Truncate the Fishing nets section and link it to its existing main article by placing the tag: Main article: Fishing net before the paragraph. The information that will be removed from this section will be transfered to Fishing net, in this way, the Fishing net article will be expanded. done as of 5/9/2007
  • The Dredging section will be connected to Dredging's Fishing section. Further expansion to Dredging's Fishing section will then be done.
  • Truncate the Fishing lines section and and link it to its existing main article by placing the tag: Main article: Fishing line before the paragraph. The information that will be removed from this section will be transfered to Fishing line, in this way, the Fishing line article will be expanded. done as of 5/17/2007
  • I am currently doing an article, Kite fishing. Right after this is done and approved. I am also planning to truncate the Kite fishing section and link it to the main article which I am currently creating by placing the tag: Main article: Kite fishing before the paragraph. The information that will be removed from this section will be added to Kite fishing.
  • I wish to create another article for Modern Fishing and shortly discuss Recreational fishing, Sport fishing, Commercial fishing, and other subcategories regarding Modern fishing. These subcategories will then be linking to there existing main articles.
  • I wish to add more fishing related sections and link them to their main articles using the Main article: <main article title>

Please let me know what you think. Thank you and more power to us all. Bu b0y2007 05:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Un buen sitio de pesca

Pesca del Dorado en la Argentina / Fishing from Argentina

http://www.estancialabrava.com.ar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.41.230.162 (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fishing revisions

First of all, I would personally like to thank you for actively guarding our Fishing Project. I've seen all your efforts of protecting the Fishing article from those harmful vandals. I've recently made a major revision from all those revisions/reverts that were made previously by bots and other wikipedians because some of the important information there were lost despite the effort of each and everyone to guard the said article. Let us continue to protect all those excellent articles. Thanks and more power! Bu b0y2007 02:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sport fishing versus angling

I just made an edit to the "Recreational fishing" section of the article to make the "main" point to Sport fishing, as it truly should. Recreational and sport fishing are very nearly synonymous. Angling, on the other hand, is a method of fishing that can be used for recreational, sport, commercial fishing, etc. The trouble, as I see it, is that there are two sections, "Recreational fishing" and "Sport fishing" that really talk about the same thing save for a slight semantic distinction. Those two sections, in my opinion, should be collapsed. — Dave (Talk | contribs) 12:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

You are absolutly right! Gaius Cornelius 13:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah that's true... Bu b0y2007 04:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "squirrel fishing" section

I've deleted this section:


Squirrel fishing

Main article: Squirrel fishing

Squirrel fishing is the sporting practice of "catching" squirrels and attempting to lift them into the air using a peanut tied to a string or fishing line, and optionally some kind of fishing pole.

In most cases, squirrels playfully tug and grapple with the nuts, while the human participant skillfully angles with his or her quarry. A delicate approach is required in squirrel fishing. Anyone can pull a nut from the hands of a squirrel, but the adept "squirrel fisher" must hone his craft, maintaining balance between himself and the squirrel, and eventually rewarding the squirrel for his valiant competition by ceding the nut. Ideally, great care is taken not to overfeed squirrels, not to hit them with nuts, and not to treat them roughly.


It is completely out of place with the rest of the article.


16:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adding Importance Rating

It could be debated (and edited and changed!) of course, but I'm assuming that Fishing is a Top-importance article to The Fishing Project.  ;) I've still got just a little testing to do, but if the template holds up we now have Importance classes in the fishing articles as well. See the Project talk for more details.

[edit] Aquatic Ape Theory

This theory has very little support among main-stream scientists. You can check the Wikipedia article on this as well, it also points out the strong scepticism against the theory. I believe the Aquatic Ape theory should be put under a category like Trivia and not at the beginning of the article, since this lends it more credibility than it deserves. Weeddude 10:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC) --Weeddude 10:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It was me that put it in in the first place, but I am inclinded to agree with you. Gaius Cornelius 16:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Fishing Assessment Drive

This article has been selected for evaluation at the WikiProject Fishing Assessment Drive, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's ratings of fishing-related articles. If you would like to participate, you can visit the the WikiProject Fishing main page, where you can register your interest for the project and see a list of open tasks.
29 June 2007 This article was reviewed on 29 June 2007 by Fishing Wikiproject member(s)
A This article was rated as A-Class on the assessment scale at the time of the group assessment.
Top This article was rated as Top-Importance on the importance scheme at the time of the group assessment.
2 This article was assessed by a team of 2 reviewer(s). You are free to modify the ratings as an editor, however, we request you consider discussing the matter with us at the Assessment Drive Talk page, or leave your rationale below.
This article's assessment by the Fishing Assessment Drive team is marked as complete. The discussion will shortly be archived at Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishing/Assessment/Drive_Archive#Fishing.


Added assessment template. LaughingVulcan 22:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Assessment complete. LaughingVulcan 02:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illegal fishing

Wow i have to say I was entirly clueless about illegal fishing. The use of cyanide to stun fish to be used in aquariums i found perticularly amazing. Is there any way to stop this crime? I cannot imagine that it is good for the enviroment.

[edit] Fishing techniques

Those of you who monitor this page might be interested in Fishing techniques, created by a new user from their thesis work. It is in dire need of cleanup and may recreate some information already presented here. I wasn't sure what to do with it. Anyone want to take it on? --Rkitko (talk) 17:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speciesist Tag

I believe the appropriate discussion of this tag and topic belongs on the article talk page. Howard C. Berkowitz

Fishing‎; 02:27 . . (-105) . . Hcberkowitz (Talk | contribs) (Removed speciesist tag until properly sourced text, supporting this position, is added to the article. Categories are not a place to express POV.)

Not a POV: from Speciesism: "Speciesism involves assigning different values or rights to beings on the basis of their species membership". You cannot tell me that catching fish for food, to eat, or otherwise is not assigning a lower value to fish on the basis of their species membership. What you need to do, is to compare what would happen if a human did this to another human. Please explain your position. -- Librarianofages 02:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
If you believe this to be true of fishing, then put it into the article, where it may be discussed and a consensus reached. It is your assertion that speciesism is relevant, so it is your responsibility to put the justification, not as original research or your opinion, but with sources as Wikipedia requires. There is nothing for me to explain about a position that I have not taken, other than it is not, as I understand, within the spirit of Wikipedia to put content in tags but not in the article. Editors are less likely to see the point if it is only a tag. If it is controversial, that controversy belongs on the talk page for the article.
No, I do not need to compare what would happen if a human did this to another human. No, I do not have to defend that speciesism is a meaningful position or a proper tag to assign. This should be presented to the Wikipedia community. Howard C. Berkowitz 03:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fishing techniques section

At the moment, this section has nothing on line fishing or its various types such as fly fishing and lure fishing. All it has is a sentence on fishing lines, which is part of the tackle, not a technique. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 18:20, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Has splitting the whole section off been considered? I.e. an article fishing techniques, summarized here of course. Other possibilities that occur to me are recreational fishing and history of fishing. Richard001 (talk) 07:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] article overhaul

I was bold and gave the article a major overhaul. I think much of the techniques stuff should be restored, but I wasn't the best one to distill it. (Hopefully someone else can write a somewhat longer summary.) Feel free to put back stuff that you think should be included. Two sections I think need to be written are about subsistence fishing (only recreational and commercial fishing were covered) and about fishing culture, both for recreational fisherman and for fishing villages, etc. Mangostar (talk) 06:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Also missing is fishing between about 1000 AD and 1950 AD. Mangostar (talk) 07:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Too many edits

Mangostar - generally good editing, but making over 50 consecutive edits in two days is a bit of a problem since it makes it really hard to figure out what you've done and why. I started looking into this because your new EL is in violation of WP:ELLinks to be Avoided #10 - linking to an aggregate site. Can you go over your edits and describe what you've done and why on this talk page? I think it's generally a good idea to do that prior to undertaking so many changes anyhow. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I made so many changes so that you could read my reasoning in each edit in the edit summary. Actually, DMOZ links are explicitly endorsed in WP:EL. I think my edits are sufficiently explained by their edit summaries, though I would be glad to answer more specific questions. Mangostar (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving the Pictures Around

Someone needs to move the pictures around, because frankly, the article looks horrible the way it is now. (Blank spots, huge jumps between text, etc.) I tried to, but someone reverted my edit. So, I'm leaving it to someone else. kkarma 15:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shrimping, frog hunting, clamming...?

By extension, the term fishing is applied to pursuing other aquatic animals such as different types of shellfish, squid, octopus, turtles, frogs, and some edible marine invertebrates. The term fishing is not usually applied to pursuing aquatic mammals such as whales, where the term "whaling" is more appropriate, or to commercial fish farming.

I think the above, 2nd ph of the article, claims that fishing includes all these other activities when they all have other names that are more commonly used. Perhaps should be changed to "The term fishing may be applied to pusuing other...Bob98133 (talk) 14:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I agree with you. --Geronimo20 (talk) 19:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] recreationaql fishing in danger

The biggest threats to the recreational fishing are: 1-regulation of magnuson stevens that is not science based nor is it flexible. 2-radical environmental organizations who want marine protected areas to ban fishing.It does nothing to propogate the species who are mostly migratory. 3-Apathy by fisherman not willing to join any organization,they just complain. 4-unfair quotas which are more liberal than what is allowable to catch & keep compared to the recreational fisherman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.187.179 (talk) 23:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)