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Contents 1 Name of this article. 2 Supposed challenge to Josephus about Masada 3 Jewish success, the Fall 4 This article is poorly written and full of inaccuracies. Pretty poor show.

[edit] Name of this article.

Simple question: is this the best name for this article? I've always referred to it as 'The Jewish war' (maybe the 'first Jewish war' or perhaps 'The (first) Jewish revolt'. I'm coming from a scholarly Christian environment, so I'm particularly interested in how Jewish works refer to it. Hyam Maccoby refers to it as 'The Jewish war against Rome' - but I don't know how typical he is --Doc (?) 21:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't remember where exactly I got the title from (Josephus?) but I thought it is common enough. I am not a scholar, though. Does First Jewish-Roman War sound better?

Unrelated to this, I think the article titled Great Uprising should be renamed into something more sensible. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 23:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I've always known/referred to it as either the Jewish War or periphrastically as something like the Fall of Jerusalem or the Destruction of the Temple. Jewish War is also the standard English title of Josephus' work (I think we all have at least seen the Pelican translation, and most reading this probably own a copy). To be frank, I've never heard of "Great Jewish Revolt" in any context. I don't think Josephus ever referred to it this way. And speaking of Josephus's Jewish War, a major rehab is in order. This is an extraordinarily important work of history. --FourthAve 23:48, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd be happy with per Humus sapiens. Either that or 'Jewish War (66-73)' (but that may be too akward}. I'd prefer simply 'Jewish-War' (but would be confused with Josephus' work) or simply 'The Jewish-Roman War' but that might be confused with Bar Kokhba. Any takers or objections to 'First Jewish-Roman War' then? --Doc (?) 22:15, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I've tabbed and marked this as a proposed move to First Jewish-Roman War - I'll do it in a few days, unless someone objects, or beats me to it. --Doc (?) 11:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 18:27, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

I know I shouldn't but part of me wants to disagree just because it is taken from that prick Josephus- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg 04:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Supposed challenge to Josephus about Masada

Ben-Yehuda does not challenge Josephus' account of a mass suicide by the besieged on Masada. Rather, he refutes, by reference to Josephus, the modern mythologising that casts those besieged, and their group suicide, as heroic. Josephus, the "Masada myth" that Ben-Yehuda criticises, and Ben-Yehuda himself fully agree that the suicides took place.

So I have taken out the "this view has been challenged". I left the reference in, though, because it applies even so.

Lonewolf BC 20:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish success, the Fall

If I was a Roman I would consider "Jewish success" to be biased, non-neutral, racist, bigoted. Just like 99% of WP. Happy holiday, MF's. Fourtildas (talk) 06:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Is "Roman losses" any better, colleague? ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 07:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article is poorly written and full of inaccuracies. Pretty poor show.

This is becoming a perpetual habit of Wikipedia. J.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)