Talk:First Family of the United States

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[edit] removed note

"NOTE: THIS ARTICLE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND WILL BE EXPANDED BY ITS ORIGINAL CREATOR."

notes like these belong on the talk page, not in the article. -- Astrokey44|talk 23:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well its not like there are new unknown first families coming about now and again, What's taking soo long to put this togethr? -QDJ

[edit] Introductory section

"The First Family is designated as thus to illustrate that its members' importance derives from the people; as opposed to royal monarchies born into power"

  • Besides being awkwardly written, this seems POV. Can it be established most people accord any importance whatsoever to members of the "first family" apart from the President and First Lady? Schizombie 19:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"First Families are created by the selection of a presidential candidate. A President's son or daughter would not be placed on a pedestal had their parent not been elected to such a high office."

  • This is partly circular reasoning: the son or daughter of a president would not be the son or daughter of the president if the president had not be elected president. Additionally, "placed on a pedestal"? By whom? Schizombie 19:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"The First Family is considered iconic in America and around the world"

  • POV. Could the average person in every country around the world identify the members of the "first family"? Could even the average American do so? Schizombie 19:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

"In her autobiography, Living History former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton writes that, during a trip to Africa, a pool at the hotel where she and First Daughter Chelsea Clinton was staying was drained and then refilled with bottled water."

  • What is this doing in the introduction, and what does it mean? Is it an example of how the secret service protects the first family? Or did the hotel decide to change the water? Schizombie 19:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tightened the Introduction

Quite a bit, actually. Deleted the text from "The First Family is designated as thus to illustrate..." thru the Hillary Clinton anecdote, as it is poorly written, unsourced, and NPOV. Restated the definition of the First Family to exclude the First Lady in favor of the President's wife (since the two are not necessarily the same), and restated the last bit about Air Force One, the White House, &c.

  • Apologies. I meant non-NPOV in there.NIIRS zero 02:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know the history of the term First Family? When was it first used, who coined it, &c.? It would probably be something worth putting in the intro.NIIRS zero 01:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kennedy Family

I'm a Kennedy fan, too, but this section, I think is just a little too over the top. Terms like "Fashion goddess" and "the most graceful in history" really don't have a place in a balanced, objective article. Plus there are many people of good conscience who think that Nancy Reagan, or Pat Nixon -- Or Harriet Lane, for that matter -- had just as much style and grace and just as much of an impact on the white House. In fact, Clem Conger, curator of the white House collection at the time, credits Pat Nixon with collecting more works of art and fine furnishings and augmenting the collection in a far greater way than Mrs. Kennedy. So I really think this section should be toned down just a bit. Quarterczar (talk) 02:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Daughter?

I don't think this is an "official term." It might be one in the sense that the press often likes to coin such cute terms as "First Twins" or "First Beagle" or whatever. But in saying that Chelsea Clinton had an "official title" as "First Daughter" except for the two years between her father’s term as Governor or AR and his inauguration as President carries it a bit too far. Quarterczar (talk) 02:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Family"

The First Family of the United States consists of the President of the United States, the President's spouse (usually the First Lady), and their children.

Historically, the family living in the mansion has included elderly parents and other relatives, all of which would have been considered "the first family" by anyone writing about them. The "first family" is just the president's family living the Residence, full stop. It's really not a very useful or well-defined term. --Tysto (talk) 17:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. This article is redundant, employs a suspect term, and has never been worked on as promised. I'm baffled as to why it has been kept. Шизомби (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2008 (UTC)