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[edit] List of fire boats

Personally, I think this list is sort of silly. Certainly there are some notable fire boats in the world, the John J Harvey, the Warner L. Lawrence, and the Edward M. Cotter certainly fit that bill. But listing every fireboat in impossible given the thousands of fireboats in the world. Also, what is the criteria for inclusion? The Bayport Fire Department's boat is listed, but that is nowhere on the scale of FDNY's Harvey or Firefighter. Thoughts on this? --Daysleeper47 12:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand this article isn't [[Big, remarkable fireboats]] merely [[fireboats]]. It is good that it includes coverage of smaller fireboats, like the Bayport one. These smaller boats probably represent the bulk of the existing fireboats.

Are these smaller boats: a recent innovation? Was it possible to build this capability into a smaller boat during the age of steam powered vessels?

Cheers! Geo Swan 14:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between a fireboat and a rescue boat. A fire boat's primary mission is to extinguish fires and second, rescue. In general terms, fireboats don't have outboards. Those are simply rescue boats. I would call Bayport's a boat, but not a fireboat. My point is, the list seems long, with no criteria for inclusion. I could list the F/V Cornelia Marie because it has hose and one put out a fire, but it isn't a fireboat. I could also list a dinghy that once put out a fire, but that doesn't make it a fireboat. I personally don't even think such a list is necessary. FDNY alone has operated 28 fireboats in it's history. This list would be massive. Geo Swan, I think you are referring to the entire article. I am referring just to the list. --Daysleeper47 16:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

So, they have to have a built-in pump and nozzle for fighting fires, right? Geo Swan 23:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I've added two pictures to the gallery... I guess that it might be a good idea to make a clear difference between fire boats and a rescue boats. Unfortunately there is not yet a good article on rescue boats? If there were, it would be easier to transfer the pics to another article. However, I guess that in several places a fire boat and a rescue boat are undistinguishable. For example, we here in Finland don't have a fire boat, an oil destruction boat, a rescue boat for major passenger ships - but a boat combining all these properties. And yes, some small boats with outboard motors are used in fire fighting - there can be even thousands of islands, cottages, pleasure boats etc. in our lake and sea areas. A small boat can carry few men, a carriable pump, some gasoline and hoses, but rapidly. But if you find good criterias for a fireboat and for a rescue boat, we can create a better article on rescue boats and move the pictures from an article to another? Pöllö 13:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

Has the gallery become too large. I believe that a few photos on the page highlighting fireboats is important, but too many pictures, like I believe we have now, clutter the page. Anyone else have anything on this? --Daysleeper47 12:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Einstein is often reported to have said: "Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler."

The gallery should include pictures of representatives kinds of fireboats, or representative uses of fireboats. If we need a gallery this large, or even larger, that is okay, so long as there isn't too much duplication.

One picture of a type may not be enough.

• The gallery doesn't have any pictures of fireboats actually fighting fires.
• The gallery doesn't have any pictures of fireboats actually leading a celebration.

Cheers! Geo Swan 14:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say limit to one picture per country unless there's a particular reason to keep (eg, unusual construction or a good action shot). I suspect most pictures of them in action are taken by news organisations or fire services, so finding PD photos will be hard. To be honest, I don't think 8 photos is an unmanageably large number — iridescent (talk to me!) 14:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)