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The article Fire Emblem (anime) was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on May 15, 2008 with a consensus to merge the content into Fire Emblem. If the merger is not completed promptly, Fire Emblem (anime) might be re-nominated for deletion.

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[edit] GA nomination

Right. Just about everything is done. It's all sourced; the images all have rationales, and the article contains no minutiae and is written with an encyclopaedic tone. So when do you think it should be nominated for GA. Ideally, it would be on Thursday as I've got loads of free time from then. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thursday sounds fine. Also, would it possible to archive the discussion page around that time? The current page is becoming a chore to navigate, and the last archive was performed at an earlier point. Aveyn Knight
Once the nomination is done and dusted I'll get it archived — hopefully starting the new talk page with a message saying how it's got to GA but we need to keep an eye on it for it to stay that way. Oh yeah, thanks for fixing my typos. Ashnard Talk Contribs 05:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Everything's done so I couldn't resist and I nominated it. I hope that you don't mind. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA considerations

Looking through the article, I can see it's had some good work done. A few concerns, though:

  • References - try and fill in as much data as you can, including the date and author. I don't mind if date is after author or before or anything like that, but try and keep it consistent.
  • In-universe section: I don't think you need to have this; as long as its written from an out of universe perspective on the work, you shouldn't need to segregate the in-game pieces (and should not if it is detrimental to article quality). However this is all up to you.

Once you've looked at these and decided to do it or whatever, I'll check back, do a proofread, and pass it. David Fuchs (talk) 20:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm on to it now. I'll message you once I've got it done. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
How about removing the Manaketes section? To be honest, I only added that as an extra for the In-Universe section. However, since the section is now irrelevant, I wouldn't mind if it was removed. It would cut down on some referencing as well. Aveyn Knight 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'll do it now. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, looks good. Good luck with wherever you take it next! David Fuchs (talk) 21:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Does this mean that it'll get passed after the two days have passed? Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah. THANKS! Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Here's to the first FE Good Article

This is the first Fire Emblem Good Article! Thank you to all the contributors to this page, past and present — especially to Aveyn Knight who has been of great help of late. Let's keep a good eye on the page and make sure that it doesn't deteriorate. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who started this article. I started or spun off many of the Fire Emblem articles. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 14:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate that. I wasn't saying that it was all down to some specific people or anything. Ashnard Talk Contribs 11:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject

Since there are so many Fire Emblem related pages, why don't we make a Fire Emblem Wikiproject? Crowstar!(pokeys) 14:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I fear that it would eventually degenerate into nothing — there isn't that many users bothered with Fire Emblem anyway. Anyway, is it really that necessary?Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A wikiproject I'm part of has around 10 members. But it's just an idea. Any other opinions? Crowstar!caws 22:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

We might consider forming a Fire Emblem Task Force under the auspices of WP:NINTENDO instead of a full WikiProject. From what I've seen so far, there aren't a huge number of active Fire Emblem editors, and setting up a Task Force instead of a full-blown WikiProject might work out better if we want to set up some more formal organization for Fire Emblem articles. Just throwing out ideas. Infernal Inferno 01:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
A task force is a good idea, actually. Axem Titanium 04:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
What would be useful within it is a page that will state recommendations like not using the fan terms and not to use the translations as opposed to the Japanese names. I can see the task force working. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. Crowstarcaws 14:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC) So... how would we set this up? CrowstarValseline-on-the-lens-Jitsu! 20:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I haven't a clue. I suppose we'll have to start researching into how these work. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I think we should do this... however, Ashnard's theory may very well be right.::: FE411, A Fire Emblem Freak! Talk Contributions —Preceding comment was added at 23:34, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article naming

Hey everyone, I'd just like to point out that the Final Fantasy series page no longer has "(series)" appended to the end of it, replacing by a dab message at the top. I would like to know if anyone here would be adverse to moving this article back to simply "Fire Emblem" since the series as a whole is a much more common usage than any single game in the series. Axem Titanium 20:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If the GBA Fire Emblem is not known just as "Fire Emblem", then there is no need for the "series" at the end of this title. I wouldn't mind a move. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured article nomination

I nominate Fire Emblem as a Featured Article. It seems to meet the criteria for that. Unfortunately, only one article started by me was declared Featured Article, and that is the article Final Fantasy X. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 14:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't feel that it's ready, but let's hope for the best anyway. Have you already nominated it? I'm currently trying to get PoR to Good article by the way, if you want to help. Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:53, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed the article for peer review. That will lead to the nomination. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 23:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Great. It will be interesting to see what is said. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final GA push for the Fire Emblem series games.

I don't feel that it's totally right to post this here, but I know that it'll have the most people watching over it. I want to get TSS to GA since Fire Emblem (video game), Fire Emblem, and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance are all now GAs. The article's is a total mess now, so this would require the most help. I would appreciate it if anyone wants to help contributing in tidying this up. The plot needs to be massively reduced; the lead needs expanding; the gameplay section needs structuring and the reception section needs to be expanded. Needless to say, it all needs to be sourced too. So, any help would be appreciated. I'll probably start work on it in about a week's time but may start sooner. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It's on my watchlist; consider it done... eventually. Hahaha. I'll try to start ref'ing it. Axem Titanium 14:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image removal

User: A Man In Black has just removed them. Can anyone explain why? I'm not too clued up on images. Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

He seems to indicate in the edit summary that it violates WP:NOT#REPOSITORY. There were too many images, not enough relevant text. I don't think this is a big loss, as the images are still viewable at the articles for the respective games. Infernal Inferno 18:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The only loss is aesthetic; I can live with that. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Emblem section of Wikipedia under wikipurge

A new term has been coined, that is, wikipurge, being defined as the act of mass deletion and abridge-and-merge on a specific subject sector of a Wiki site. Recently, there has been mass deletion threats concerning Fire Emblem related continent on Wikipedia. There has been a crackdown on Fire Emblem character articles, especially those pertaining to the game Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu. There has also been a crackdown on in-universe information. Wikipedia's policies are getting preposterous. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 02:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Nah, they're just finally being enforced. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
What he said. A lot of what has been written about Fire Emblem is generally informative, but not encyclopedic, and people have finally noticed. If you want to preserve the content, especially in the character articles (information about minor characters is difficult if not impossible to source and generally have little influence outside of the game) you may want to consider transwiking to a wiki that has different content standards. I would also remind you to assume good faith, as some of your language seems to suggest those advocating deletion of article content have sinister intent. If anything they are trying to help Fire Emblem articles by getting rid of the unencyclopedic content. Infernal Inferno 06:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Yep. The character information doesn't warrant its own article at all. Their existance is policy violating. The only predicament is with the continents—the character articles can be merged into their respective character lists, but there is nowhere for the continents to go. Any ideas? But basically, these sort of articles are best suited to gaming wikias. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
If you object to deletion, merge the characters into lists. Individual articles for them are highly improper. Axem Titanium 13:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
All of the characters have already been merged into lists except Marth and Roy. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
There is already a Fire Emblem wiki. It is called FEWiki.net. It very much has liberal content standards compared to Wikipedia. I already transwikied the 'Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu story' content that was deleted into FEWiki.net. This war on Fire Emblem content on Wikipedia would be called the Emblem Purge, and the concept of it is called a wikipurge. FEWiki.net has been added to External Links section for that reason. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 21:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't be such a drama queen. You should check out WP:FICT for the real rules on the subject. Axem Titanium 01:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Those content standards do not apply at FEWiki.net or Wookieepedia. Those content standards only apply here at Wikipedia, not on another Wiki site. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 03:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
That's the point of wikias, to apply information that is not relevant in a proper encyclopaedia. That's why they're usually devoted to a given topic. Axem Titanium, although it may be in jest, please refrain from personal attacks, per WP:NPA. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 09:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
(kickback indent) Not for nothing, but it wasn't a personal attack, it was a suggestion. Anyway, it looks like the FE Wiki link has been removed because it is not reliable and not a stable wiki (points 2 and 12 from the external links policy). Axem Titanium 15:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
"Don't be such a drama queen". How is that not personal? I appreciate that it may have been in jest, but it can be interpreted a different way. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I recommend using the FE Wiki to preserve Fire Emblem content that was deleted from Wikipedia. As the name implies, it is dedicated to the Fire Emblem franchise. There is an an About page that tells you that the Wiki serves that purpose. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 00:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It fails external link policy—It shouldn't be used. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
It shouldn't be linked currently, but not using it at all? In case you said what I thought you said, people should give that wiki a chance. Most of the content is left to be desired, but if people actually continue contributing then it should become a good Fire Emblem encyclopedia. Admittedly, I did contribute to FEWiki in the past, stopping after interest died down... Aveyn Knight 18:34, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Where else can it be used except in the external link list? Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Nowhere then. I guess I did misread what you said. Aveyn Knight 21:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
No problem :). Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I still contribute to FE Wiki. I have been contributing to it more since the Fire Emblem wikipurge incident. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 18:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Bump. Kariteh 09:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

A new Fire Emblem wiki has been founded. It is affiliated with Wikia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedius Zanarukando (talk • contribs) 03:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Continent merges

I don't want that info on the main pages. Simply put, if it violates policy in its own article, then it violates policy on this page. It's a case of lumping the nonsense on to the main pages. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless a miracle occurs, I also agree. Personally I'd much rather they were deleted than merged. I don't see much non in-universe content, other than statements like "Interestingly, Gallia is Latin for France" (which probably isn't actually of much interest). I'm not sure if this was suggested, but how about moving all the continent pages to a single "Continents of Fire Emblem" page? Aveyn Knight 18:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I say delete as non-notable and unverifiable. As far as I know, none of the continents (Akaneia, Jugdral, Elibe, Magvel, and Tellius) are notable outside of their universe. It has been claimed that some of the continents are notable because of Super Smash Bros. games, but those games only feature characters, not continents and notability is not inherited. Unless reliable sources can be provided to establish notability (and this would be on a per article basis) I advocate deletion, with only a relevant summary being added to the individual game articles. If it is desired to preserve the content, the articles should be transwikied. Infernal Inferno 18:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't think it would be a bad idea to mention them briefly in a "setting" section since every video game article should have one. A separate article is not appropriate though; "Continents of Fire Emblem" also seems a bit iffy since they aren't really related in any way. I think the setting section is the way to go and it's okay to be sourced from plot references. Axem Titanium 20:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll be for that if you can find me any of them references. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, Akaneia and Barensia are related. Also Jugdral may be related, although there is no source. You could say they are related in that they are Fire Emblem continents, but that's not saying much. As for plot reference sources, did you originally use the game scripts from GameFAQs? If not, that might be a possibility. Otherwise, there are the script dumps for all the recent games. Aveyn Knight 20:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Release data

I'm fairly certain that the games starting with Fire Emblem have been released in China, Canada and Australia, but we don't have that information listed. I think I may be able to find sources for Canadian and Australian release dates, but can anyone confirm China? I'm having trouble, as I have not found any English sites covering Chinese gaming. Moby Games indicates they have been localized to Chinese titles, e.g. Fire Emblem (game) is 火焰之纹章：烈火之剑,[1] but no release date is given. Not strictly necessary information, but if it is available it may be worth including. Infernal Inferno 23:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure there have been no official Chinese releases. There are Chinese fan translations however. Aveyn Knight 23:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
This is EN Wikipedia and the policy tends to including the original language release info and then major English-speaking areas' release info (ie, North America, Europe, Australia). Axem Titanium 23:38, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
It annoys me when people cite 'policy' and then don't link to it, especially obscure ones such as 'what regions we list game releases in.' Is there a policy, or is it just what happens to happen? Anyways, I'm going to look for the Australian release dates at least to make Fire Emblem and The Sacred Stones consistent with Path of Radiance, which already lists an AU release. And honestly, I only mentioned Canada because I know some Canadians who get testy when you don't mention them; it's sort of an inclusionary habit of mine. Infernal Inferno 23:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I say policy but I mean general practice. Just look at nearly every other VG article. Axem Titanium 15:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it's more a general lack of information or interest in these countries than an general and conscious choice of practice. This being said, MMORPG articles seem to be pretty exhaustive about release dates (look at World of Warcraft). Kariteh 17:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
That's a little disturbing, I don't even recognize some of those flags. I guess if I find release data for a given region then I'll add it. Infernal Inferno 20:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SSB Picture

Since Marth and Roy have their own pages featuring their Super Smash Bros. pictures and Ike does not, I think that it is fitting to replace Roy's SSB picture in this article with Ike's. Lore aura 13:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks better, but you're going to have place your source on the image, and its fair-use rationle. If you don't know how to, then I'll get the rationale done. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SSB Alternate Music

“If Marth is unlocked and all players hold some specific buttons, a remixed version of the Fire Emblem main theme and the recruiting theme will play instead of the stage's original music”

Except that Together We Ride was only the recruiting theme in Fire Emblem 7. In fact the song is “Encounter Theme”, featured in Fire Emblem 1 and 3. A lot of songs form earlier games are reused in later games. I’d do something about this but isn’t this original research? Though the source that is being used at the moment doesn’t say what the music is either. --Tyrfing 10:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

The source states that the game uses Fire Emblem titles but doesn't state any specifics. I doubt that there'll be a source giving any specifics that can be found. Until a different source is found, I'll just rephrase it so that it generically mentions them as just "Fire Emblem songs". Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
UPDAATE This site mentions the two tracks by name and is already being used on the page as a source. "Their theme music is a medley of the Fire Emblem main theme and the "Encounter" theme, which was originally from the first game, but reused in later titles." Should it be added or doesn't it matter? That SSBB music for Fire Emblem is the same as the one released on the first track of the FE6 OST (but with latin lyrics) isn't it? --Tyrfing (talk) 22:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok it's not quite the same... similar though.--Tyrfing (talk) 23:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Go ahead with rewording the sentence to specify the songs and adding this source. If you don't know how to reference somehting, let me know and I'll reference it tomorrow. I'd do it today, but I'm off to bed now. Ashnard need sleep....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Good spot :-). Ashnard Talk Contribs 23:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I changed it but left the refereence alone. i was going to change it and everything was going well (I just copied it into word and replaced the relevent sections) but the end of the reference read date=[[1995]]|work=[[Gamespot]]}}</ref> and I had no idea what I should replace the 1995 with. So that reference is wrong for the moment, but I thought it was better to leave it than to delete it. --Tyrfing (talk) 01:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
The game wasn't released in 1995 so I don't know what that could refer to. --Tyrfing (talk) 01:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

(One last comment) I'd gotten as far as <ref name="Fire Emblem music in SSBM">{{cite news|title='Hardcore Gaming 101: Fire Emblem'|url= http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/fireemblem/fireemblem.htm|accessdate=2007-12-16|date=[[1995]]|work=[[Gamespot]]}}</ref> the date= and work= are from the old reference. And it's probably not news either. --Tyrfing (talk) 01:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Replaced ref. I don't have a clue how the 1995 got there. A date isn't given on the page about when it was written, so that's just left blank. Ashnard Talk Contribs 09:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Fire Emblem - Not yet

Because the Fire Emblem sector of Wikipedia has been subject to wikipurges, Fire Emblem is disqualified for a WikiPortal. Much of the Fire Emblem content that was deleted was deemed unencyclopedic. One reason for non-notability is that Fire Emblem is new to markets outside Japan. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 18:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

That's the policies. I've welcomed—and carried out—some of the merges and deletions. The Fire Emblem articles now are much more neater and are of better quality than before. As for the Japanese releases, it makes finding references incredibly difficult in some parts. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Compared to articles related to other Nintendo franchises, the Fire Emblem articles are unusually short, because the policies is applied more strictly compared to the aforementioned. Deletions leave holes in the Fire Emblem sector. FE Wiki should be the new home for any Fire Emblem related content that was deleted from Wikipedia. Considering contributing there often. The first Fire Emblem game is being remade for Nintendo DS, and it may possibly be released in English. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 05:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, most other articles in the Nintendo franchise are of poor quality—most of them articles aren't GAs. They could be longer if they had Development sections, or History sections, but I can't find that information. If you want to know every little piece of trivia and plot detail for Fire Emblem, then by all means go to FEWiki. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The articles pertaining to the Legend of Zelda and Pokémon franchises are already high quality. That comment you just said would be posted as a comment in the Fire Emblem game articles. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 14:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
It's difficult to make such sweeping generalizations about a set of articles because they are so large. TLOZ has articles ranging from crap to FA. Of course, we always want to move away from the crap and towards FA; the excisement of poor quality content is simply a step in that direction. Axem Titanium 15:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You're going to have to explain that last comment, Tedius. Anyway, since when did Pokemon and The Legend of Zelda constitute "most"? They have more written about them because there is more encyclopaedic information about them. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:58, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Axem Titanium has dismissed that comment idea as WP:NOT#ADVERTISING for FE Wiki. I want that FE Wiki widely known, but deletionists are getting in my way. Is there a way to do that, without those deletionists getting in the way? I am saddened that the Fire Emblem sector of Wikipedia has been recently overrun by deletionists. Many Fire Emblem fans are deletionists, because Fire Emblem is new to the English speaking audience. It is currently not possible for a Fire Emblem game article to attain the status of Featured Article, and such attempt may likely result in a stub. The Fire Emblem sector of Wikipedia has problems with Wikipedia policy. Some content are merely issues of deletionists. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 02:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

"The Fire Emblem sector of Wikipedia has problems with Wikipedia policy. Some content are merely issues of deletionists"—what are you talking about? There are four GAs now, FE DS and Radiant Dawn will become GAs when they're released over here. Before the clean up, the highest any FE article could amount to was B-class. Fire Emblem can't reach FA because no information on development or history is available. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy/Overview

This article needs to sum the series as a whole and mention some factors that have gone relatively unmentioned, like:

  • Tear Ring Saga—the lawsuit business and Fire Emblem's influence.
  • First tactical RPG. How it's influenced other games of this genre needs to be mentioned.
  • Relation to Nintendo Wars. The widely reported similarities and who influenced whom.
  • The widely remarked death system and character development—not how it works, but how it's an integral part of the series that's well recognised.

I hope to make a well-written and well-sourced scetion about this. Any thoughts? Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The TearRing Saga business can probably be done (heck, the Japanese Wikipedia page has an, IMO, overlong section on it). It might need to reference some Japanese sources though. If that doesn't work, we can source a translated page... I'm sure the others can be done by others. By the way, I'm pretty sure Famicom Wars was released first (1988 compared to Fire Emblem's 1990), so I assume that was the influencer. Aveyn Knight 14:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I've got a lot of coursework to do now, so I can't get it done straight away, but I'll do some research and hopefully we should have a section soon. If anyone's knows any decent sites with relevant info, please let me know. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Right, I've detailed this in the controversy section with the few ources that I could find. It'll will need some copyediting. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Two things. One: Is there any source that states Berwick Saga was produced by Tirnanog? To this day I still haven't found out who developed it. Two: I seem to recall, slightly recently, that Nintendo filed another lawsuit and was successful. I don't know where I heard this from though.
In fact, I just checked the Japanese Fire Emblem page and it states that a second lawsuit was filed in 24th November 2004 (two years after the first), where Nintendo failed to sue for copyright infringment, but due to the Unfair Competition Prevention Law (translation) they were paid 7600 x 10,000 Yen by Enterbrain (I can't do my maths out of tiredness). A few months later, the Supreme Court denied Nintendo's request. I don't know about any law systems, so some of the terms might be incorrect. You probably won't need to have all this detail though, but Nintendo did end up getting some money out of the whole thing. Aveyn Knight 12:54, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
If you can Aveyn Knight, please will you put the relevant info on this in the article? We can still cite websites even if they're dodgy translations. If you don't know how to cite, then send me the link and then I can have a try, or you may ant to write it and then I'll cite it. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Originally I was going to say that I was too busy, but I was bored so I made something that can be found at my userpage. If you think it's useful, I can put it up somewhere so you can link it. I probably can't help anymore for now, other than fixing minor mistakes, since I'm currently working on a pretty time-consuming project. Aveyn Knight 20:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems godd, only that I can't really make sense of the source evn when it's translated. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Its not the first tactical RPG before this came games such as

  • Romance in the 3 kingdoms
  • Nobunaga's Ambition
  • Laser Squad
  • ect... The list goes on and on.

204.126.80.110 (talk) 18:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved this comment since it was blatantly interrupting a previously posted comment, but in any case, you are mistaken. Games like Romance of the Three Kingdoms and Nobunaga's Ambition are considered strategy games, but they are not strategy RPGs.--75.92.186.211 (talk) 06:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I propose that we replace the currently linked English Fire Emblem Documentary (EFED) with Serenes Forest. In the past, it was agreed to link to only one fansite, which was the one with the most content. For a long time now, Serenes Forest has exceeded EFED in terms of content. There are few things that I would like to point out:

Firstly, external links should be readily available, and Serenes Forest was in fact unavailable for a period of time, due to problems with its server. However, it has since been moved back to its original location, which has never had any problems. Secondly, as some may know, I actually run Serenes Forest (in fact, Ashnard was the one who pointed out to me that you shouldn't link to your own sites straightaway). Aveyn Knight 21:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I've moved it as I fully support the change. I've left reasons for my support on Aveyn's talk page. Any objections? Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
GameFAQs external links are mandatory, and should be on every Fire Emblem game article, as is every other video game article. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 02:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Say what? Who mandates links to GameFAQs? Infernal Inferno 03:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
There is most definitely not a mandate to include GFAQs links. Canvassing Wikipedia with them is tantamount to advertising. The inclusion of such a link should be weighed by how useful and how much it contributes to understanding of the article's subject (this should certainly not simply be because it includes game strategies and walkthroughs, which is what Wikipedia is not). Axem Titanium 21:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why can't FE Wiki be mentioned in the articles or comments?

On the article on Fire Emblem: Rekka no Ken, Axem Titanium dismissed that comment on the Plot section as WP:NOT#ADVERTISING for FE Wiki. I am saddened that references to FE Wiki are being dismissed from Wikipedia articles. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 03:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, #13 – "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." Infernal Inferno 03:31, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
What about wikis that are affiliated with Wikia.com? FE Wiki is not affiliated with Wikia.com. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 19:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe there is discrimination for or against open wikis that don't affiliate with Wikia (or maybe there is; I just don't subscribe to it). Stability does not come with Wikia membership, it comes with time and experience. However, that's not the reason I removed the link. I referred to NOT#ADVERTISING; Wikipedia does not need to and should not advertise other websites, even if it's in an unseen comment. Axem Titanium 21:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The comment was not actually meant to advertise FE Wiki. It was giving the URL address to the FE Wiki article on the said Gameboy Advance game, directing to the plot detail. Axem Titanium, you sound like a deletionist, and I am a semi-inclusionist as well as a transwikiist. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 20:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Advertising on Wikipedia is not an inclusionist/deletionist issue; it's just not allowed. Any sort of link to an outside website counts as advertising UNLESS it is used as a reference or follows the external links guideline. I have nothing against transwiki-ing stuff from here that isn't appropriate here (e.g., massive plot, game guide info, etc.) to another wiki or anywhere; I simply object to linking to that destination without a good reason (i.e., where it wouldn't be advertising or violate WP:EL). I would be perfectly happy to leave a link to FE Wiki in the External links section of this article if and when FE Wiki becomes stable and has a substantial number of editors. Axem Titanium 21:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the BS games

I found out there there were 4 games (more like chapters) released for the Satellaview in the series. Each has its own name, but they are known under the collective name BS Fire Emblem: Akaneia Senki Hen. I think that these games should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polo83 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't know toom much about this. Aveyn Knight, any help please? Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 07:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I do know quite a bit about these games. I actually thought about starting a collective page for them, but I'm busy with other things and I doubt much people would be interested in them. That said, I can probably begin with a stub at least. Let's see, I'll start it here (somebody can link to it later). Aveyn Knight (talk) 22:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Emblem 6 English Title

In the sound test option and the stickers for Fire Emblem 6 in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the game is referred to as "Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade". Can we consider this as an official English title to use in the chart for this article? It's interesting that Fire Emblem 3 doesn't use an English title, it's still referred to as Monsho no Nazo.151.196.254.218 (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes; this would count. If you've got a source to prove this, then it can be added. Thanks for the spot. Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, I suppose Brawl counts as a source in itself, but do I have to take a screenshot for this? I don't have a camera on me unfortunately. 72.81.236.121 (talk) 06:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
A screenshot is proof, but I don't know if it would be a good thing to source. Perhaps you could try sourcing a news site, fansite or an online guide? Aveyn Knight (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
What adds to confusion is the fact that it first was translated as the "Sword of Seals" in SSBM (Roy's trophy description) but as the "Binding blade" in Brawl (music/stickers). I think this discrepancy should be noted, citing both translations as was done for Marth's name. It seems Nintendo has trouble keeping track of its translation decisions over the years...
And, no, I don't think you should need to consult a fansite essentially telling you what they saw on their TV screen while playing the game; anyone can do that without a need for a middleman. It just seems kinda... I dunno, redundant that Wikipedia policies nudge us to that degree of double-checking. Not to be critical of anyone in particular (rather, the "system"), but it's just kind of... ironic, seeing the sentence wondering if the "officialness" of the actual game released by Nintendo is sufficient for Wikipedia without needing to consult a fansite.  --Cartoonmaster (talk) 03:26, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I think it would be a good idea to note this in the table to avoid confusion. Sources-wise, a reliable source is always preferable to verify the claim rather than a fansite. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fire Emblem Theme Lyrics

Being a Latin student, I would like to know what the lyrics are for the theme arranged for Brawl.Rook37 (talk) 20:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just go to the link provided in the reference after the statement. Thanks. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The Latin lyrics are not there, just a translation.Rook37 (talk) 17:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well...I don't know—I presume you've searched on Google. To be honest, this talk page is only for matters pertaining to the article. Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)