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[edit] Joshua and Lyon

I made an article on Joshua and looked over the article on Lyon. There's supposed to be a debate on whether to keep Lyon or not. I think it shows important info and describes him realy well, and therefore, should not be merged with Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones. I made the Joshua article because even thougth he is a minor character, I felt the importance of The Prince of Jehanna needs to be shown. Do you agree? July 1st, 06 Robertorulez

No one from this game should get their own article until Eirika and Ephraim get their own articles, they are the main characters of the damn game. 60.229.18.250 02:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Your somewhat right, but Joshua and Lyon are still important.

Ephraim and Eirika do have articles.

[edit] Merge Mogall

Quick vote for redirect? Mogalls doesn't seem to have any useful information not covered in the main article. Axem Titanium 03:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I think it should just be deleted. It has irrelevant info and is very poorly written, not in Wikipedia's format. Mishy dishy 00:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, on second look, it's kind of crap. I'ma just go redirect it to here. Axem Titanium 20:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Monster Section

Maybe it's just me but does a section that goes into detail about each monster type really have a place in this article? I was thinking maybe a blurb somewhere appropriate that would say something along the lines of 'Monsters in this game are creatures of evil summoned by the Demon King. etc.' and something about this being one of the few times that non-human enemies have shown up in FE games. Long story short, I think we should nix the monster section and add something else, maybe a section on the different countries.Axem Titanium 19:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Um. Wow. It's been almost a month and no one's replied. I guess not enough people care and I should just go through with it?Axem Titanium 23:26, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I just killed the monster section and added a countries section. I'll be fixing the story section soon so I can take off the wikify tag. Maybe I'll put up a world map picture if I can find one.Axem Titanium 03:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.162.140.74 (talk • contribs)

I don't think you should just delete valuable information that people put in the time to put up for no reason. There are many game articles with information about the enemies.--Zxcvbnm 01:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh, wow! I just got owned by a bunch of numbers! Good game! Anyway, all kidding aside, that section really only detracted from the article because it included only information ripped directly from the game descriptions that doesn't really apply to a wiki article at all. Cleaned up and polished a bit, it would do fine in a Wikibooks page on Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones, but as it was, it needed to be pulled. In other news, I was halfway through a really awesome edit for the story section but my computer decided it hates me and shut itself down before I could save it. You might see it tomorrow. Axem Titanium 02:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Information

I decided to change the structure and titling a little so it doesn't exactly reflect that of the Blazing Sword article, typed up a few new articles ("Gameplay Mechanics" and "Countries and Areas"), resembling that of the Seisen no Keifu article. But is it looking large enough already? - Tetsuya-san

[edit] Character List

I think that we should change the descriptions of the characters to the ones that appear in the game. Those who own the game could easily find these by going to the character's status screen and pressing "R," then highlighting the character's name. This will make the descriptions more uniform, and leave no room for inaccuracy (For example: Gilliam serves King Hayden of Frelia, not Fado of Renais.)

Along with some other minor edits, I've taken the liberty of making the descriptions of the characters match those found in the game. I haven't unlocked Lyon yet, but his will be changed thusly when I do.
Why are the descriptions slowly being migrated away from this... --Dark Twilkitri 07:34, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "There's no Hayden in this game"

Who is this, then... Oops i didnt know hayden was a ranger :)--Zxcvbnm 17:14, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

What I dont understand is why he is called a venerable sage king instead of a venerable ranger king, it must refer to his wisdom Derktar 01:44, July 30, 2005 (UTC).
I think they intended to make him a sage at one point. The players' guide makes many mistakes, it constantly spells "Rennac" as "Rennec", etc... I think it was merely an oversight.

Flameviper12 01:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faces

Why did you delete the faces? They took too much time to load?--Zxcvbnm 14:36, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Faces

It would be great if someone could upload all the faces from here to this page.--Zxcvbnm 17:02, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Where do you plan on putting them? --Dark Twilkitri 02:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Where the animations currently are now- it would be better if there were faces there instead.--Zxcvbnm 02:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I'll try to get right on it Derktar 01:44, July 30, 2005 (UTC).
Nice Job! I am impressed!!--Zxcvbnm 18:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, I do anything I can to improve the quality of Wikipedia. Derktar 19:36, July 31, 2005 (UTC).

[edit] Images: Vigarde, Demon King, etc.

As a recent addictee of this game, I've enjoyed this article very much and found it very useful & helpful. I am particularly taken the images from the credits that have been integrated in (Vigarde and Lyon w/ Sacred Stone, Eirika & Ephraim w/ Demon King, Gerik's Mercenaries, etc.), & I think any of them would be wonderful as wallpaper. However, I have not found those images anywhere on the web other than this Wikipedia article, and only in a very small size that doesn't enlarge well. Would anyone happen to know whether those images exist in wallpaper size anywhere on the web? If so, where? Any help or insight would definitely be appreciated. Thanks again, and keep up the good work!

Unfortunately, they're only screenshots from the games. If anyone had it, it would be the artists over at Intelligent Systems. --Anthony Jake La (Tetsuya-san; talk : contribs) 11:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My section!

Wow!

I added the "Monsters" section a while back and who the @^&# screwed it up?

I mean, you kept the material, but whoever decided they were "minor characters"?

If you looked a little closer, you would see that minor characters and monsters were in separate sections. The minor characters are all on a separate page.--Zxcvbnm 18:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] McCartney was a board prank gone wrong.

I know this for a fact, as I was part of it. So I deleted the McCartney entry in the article. If there's any real point to recording McCartney, it'd be all the attention givin to him. McCartney had to do with Paul McCartney, who was thought dead.


[edit] Eirika Page

I have started on a page for Eirika, please do NOT merge it here, she is the main character and needs her own page, I will start on an Ephraim page later, they need their own pages. Guess who i am 07:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the fansite listed for this article

I believe therea are far better and more comprehensive fansites than the one listed below. I believe that one is just free advert for this game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.74.100.180 (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:921183 20050315 screen004.jpg

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I have added a fair use rationale. Axem Titanium 02:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Separate Magvel?

All of the other continents from the other Fire Emblem games – Elibe, Tellius, etc. – have their own articles. Is there a reason Magvel doesn't? Separating the setting would make this article more consistant with the main pages for the other games in the series. Infernal Inferno 01:54, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. The other continent articles should be merged instead.--ZXCVBNM 01:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
One minute response time? You're pretty fast; I'm impressed. If you think they should be merged, why did you flag them for proposed deletion instead of merging? And I'd like to see more than a two word explanation for the deletion proposal.
Also I am aware of the article you referenced. However, I am not using that as an argument (as warned against,) but rather as a starting point for a discussion – i.e. because similar things have articles, we should investigate whether or not this should also have its own article. Infernal Inferno 02:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
If nothing else, Magvel has only appeared in one game and thus is only relevant to one game. If it can be sufficiently covered here, it should. Axem Titanium 05:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm opposed to merges of the continents. The other articles are GA, and I don't want them to be over-loaded with loads of in-universe material that would be very hard to source. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Wait, you're saying that you don't want to merge the continents because they're unencyclopedic? That means you should either merge and source them, or delete them. If they're unencyclopedic, there's no point in keeping them, right? BTW, they lack any real-world information, which is necessary for a Wikipedia article.--ZXCVBNM 23:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm aware of that ZXCVBNM. I just feel that if they're so policy violating that they shouldn't be in this article, then they'll still be policy violating if it gets merged, which will bring the destination article down to a lower standard. To source this info from reliable sources and fan sites would be very difficult. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA push.

This involves taking out minutiae, completely revaming the story section, referencing anything that can be referenced and clearing up the prose. I've got other things going on like coursework, so I can't edit every day. I'll probably be making edits now and then, and not going for mass reference surges. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

If anyone feels up to it. The "skills" paragraph needs to be expanded—when it was first used, a deeper explanation etc. There also needs to be an elaboration on the Trainee class, as well as a paragraph on the introduction of monsters. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 23:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
On a related note, anybody have an idea what this sentence is supposed to mean? "This system introduces new aspects into the game's strategy as it is possible to have characters attain their maximum level less than halfway through the game." What new aspects are there? The only thing that sentence seems to be implying to me is that skirmishes completely break the balance of the game (which might be worth mentioning?). Aveyn Knight 16:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
The new aspects will be referring to the skirmishes and the other side battles. We could mention the balance in the game, but, unless a source can be found, it would be original research. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I thought it meant some new aspects that balanced the gameplay or something, and I was puzzled because there isn't any. Also, that would indeed be original research- I almost forgot about that. I don't know if there's any "strategy" to (what is pretty much) power-levelling though, but I suppose it's a strategic option of sorts. Aveyn Knight 16:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot about the Trainee paragraph. Thanks for that, Aveyn Knight. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Reword to make it more clear if you want. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bad reference

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/itemsearch.asp is listed as a reference (currently the fourth in the reference list.) However, it links to a blank search page and needs to be replaced with a more appropriate link. Infernal Inferno 02:04, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the sentence. Comparison of things like this are usually considered original synthesis. Axem Titanium 05:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for that. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Right, just bout everything's done except the story section. I'm not confident enough with my grasp of the storyline, so I probably won't do the story and leave it for a User more knowledgeable about the story. I just think that it should be similar in approach to the Fire Emblem and PoR pages. I woudln't advise modifying the current section, but totally delete it and then re-write it. Once that's written and then sourced, it should go for GA. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
If I haven't vanished by then, I could give it a try. I was thinking of doing the story from scratch, and I'll try and do just that, after that encouragement. By the way, do you (or anybody) know what the term "pangaen" is referring to? "Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones takes place on the pangaen continent of Magvel." It seems semi-important, but I've never heard it used in-game or commonly anyway. Aveyn Knight 16:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Pangaea was the Earth super-continent millions of years ago. It was when all the continents were all connected into a super continent. Pangaen in this context would be referring to a continent that isn't divided or broken by large bodies of water. Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Pangean statement seems to be original research. I don't recall any indication either in game or in other sources that would suggest there are no other continents in that world. Removing. Infernal Inferno 17:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe everything's done to a sufficient level. If there are no objections, I'll submit it for GA. Don't expect a speedy review; there are currently about eight gaming articles on the waiting list. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

http://feshrine.vze.com/ Another bad reference (links to main page and not any specific information,) I'm removing it. Infernal Inferno 21:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

What would we do without you, Infernal Inferno. Ashnard Talk Contribs 22:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Verily, thou wouldst be lost without me. Infernal Inferno 01:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Future projects

Oh yeah, thanks to Aveyn Knight too, who speedily fixed the story section. I really see no reason why this shouldn't get GA status. Once this attains GA status, that will be all of the main FE articles. The Japanese articles can't really be sourced, and GoD would fail the stability criteria of GA. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
It's nothing much. It's not too hard to come in towards the end to help fix some things. Most of the article was already pretty decent (albeit not GA material), and it was mostly cleaned up and sourced already.
I guess GoD fails the stability criteria because it's not yet released in English? Otherwise I can forsee it being a GA candidate. Anyway, how about working on the lists of Fire Emblem characters (any game)? Aveyn Knight 13:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
You're right, the best idea is to leave GoD until it's released in English, otherwise, it'll get failed outright for no stability. It can be turned GA then, though. As for the lists, Wikipedia lists bypass GA and can only get FA. For a list with hardly any out-of-universe notability, I'm not sure if that's possible. They could be doing with a general clean-up though. Ashnard Talk Contribs 17:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I think that there is a possibility of getting some of the character lists to Featured List status. Right now they aren't very list-like though, more like a collection of mini-articles without any of the references. The articles could benefit from being boiled down to that which is encyclopaedic, especially in terms of verifiability.
Other projects to consider:
  • Monshō no Nazo and/or Seisen no Keifu to GA. Already being on VC in Japan makes me think they are the most likely of the old games to be translated and released on VC elsewhere. Both articles could use a lot of improvement.
  • Fire Emblem to FA. As the series article (also being the highest ranked on the importance scales by WP:VG and WP:NIN) it should try to be there to give people the best idea about the series in general. Tedius already started it on its way with the peer review nomination.
  • Path of Radiance to FA. As the prequel to the soon-to-be released latest entry, it is likely to see some additional attention in the near future. Might as well give people the best article we can.
Infernal Inferno 20:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm liking the willingness to contribute and take the Fire Emblem articles further, guys. For the proposals:
  • I'm concerned about Monshō no Nazo and/or Seisen no Keifu. It all depends on the reliable sources that can be cited. Are there even any reviews we can cite? Plus, I don't know if the story and gameplay can be cited. Hopefully, it can. This comes from exclusivity to Japan.
  • I really want Fire Emblem to get to FA. The thing is, there's a big gaping whole called "development and history". To my knowledge, I don't think the information is out there about how Fire Emblem came together and its subsequent development through the years. Anybody have any ideas? Sections like "Music" need to be expanded
  • For PoR to get to GA, What can we add that isn't there now? I can only think of the SSBM references in the future.
  • To my knowledge, the content of the lists have barely any out-of-universe notability except from the Lords in Super Smash Bros. A Featured Article can't comprise of in-game quotes.

I want to hear your thoughts on this. Do you guys know of any possible souces? Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 22:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Do keep in mind that Featured Lists have different criteria than Featured Articles, see FL criteria vs. FA criteria. I'm not sure what level of information we can source while still maintaining a good list. Infernal Inferno 23:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree that Monsho no Nazo and Seisen no Keifu will be quite difficult to source. However, if we look, we might be able to find some things. The latter is a relatively popular import/emulation choice. There are less people knowledgable about them though, obviously. As for Fire Emblem, another trouble is that it has been a long time since the earlier games were released and, hence, less remaining documentation about the earlier stages of the series. I have a handful of interviews, but translators would be needed and I don't know 100% what the content consists of. Also the interviews probably won't cover everything. All in all, I don't see the development and history progressing ever, let alone on an encyclopedic level (much like the Fire Emblem TCG). Aveyn Knight 23:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone seen a Featured Article about a video game series? None of the ones I looked at were beyond Good Article, and many were only B-rated. I looked at the series articles for Metroid, Legend of Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Devil May Cry, and Castlevania. I would like to know if the task has even been accoplished, or if Fire Emblem would be breaking new ground. Also, has anyone noticed that this discussion no longer has anything to do with references? Why didn't we start a new section? Infernal Inferno 23:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games#Example articles, it doesn't look like there are any featured series articles, but, like what's been said, Development and History needs to be dealt with before we should commit to that. Infernal Inferno is right about the criteria for both articles and lists. I think people should view this: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. It states this:
  • Needs citation—can be done, although it would comprise of in-game quotes mainly.
  • Table of Contents needs shortening—that's done.
  • Needs fair-use rationales—that's done.
  • Lead needs expanding—that can be done.
  • Explain class changes etc.—I think that's in the lead.
  • Needs to be annotated with appropriate information—I'm not sure what is meant by this.

Maybe this can be done. Despite anything, we can have fun trying. So, what do you guys think? Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Path of Radiance characters is good. I don't know what the last point means either, but perhaps it's referring to making statements accessible for non-fans? For example (hypothetically), annotating a statement that just says "XXX is a spirit-charmer" (without explaining what a spirit-charmer is).
Another idea, which I had after browsing the existing Featured Lists- how about a page on List of Fire Emblem Media (or titles). Of course, creating a new page based on an existing similar one isn't valid, but I'm pretty sure there's enough media to list compared to, for example, FZero or Final Fantasy. The BS Fire Emblem games could also, finally, get a mention there, as well as the more notable Fire Emblem mangas. Aveyn Knight 15:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know enough about them sort of media lists to comment really. Maybe you could ask at WP:VG. It sounds like a good idea though. One thing worth bringing up: what is the difference between a list and an article? Characters of Final Fantasy VIII seems smilar in its format to the Fire Emblem lists, yet is named as an article. The same goes for Characters in the Halo series. Ashnard Talk Contribs 08:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
There's a whole bunch of pages about lists, I guess WP:LIST is as good a place to start reading as any. I'm thinking the Fire Emblem lists are somewhat misnamed, as their content does not resemble any of the other lists I have looked at, especially the featured lists. The articles might be better named by dropping the "List of" portion of the name, making them like the character articles you mentioned; articles which actually are not lists because their name does not include "List of" in the title, a requirement for Lists on Wikipedia. Hooray for semantics.
I'm going to look over more of the list policies and guidelines later, they are still a little unclear to me. Infernal Inferno 09:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Likewise; I've been looking through it too. They give purposes; disadvantages and advantages, but they don't define it. Maybe it should be raised at WP:VG if we can't find a guideline that distinguishes between the two. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance is currently a list because it's a enumeration of things, with no analysis. Characters of Final Fantasy VIII is a list and a regular article, because it gives an analysis of the subject with the "Cast creation and influences" and "Cultural impact" sections. "List" isn't something to oppose to "article"; a list can either be a standalone page or be a part of another article (see WP:LIST#Types of lists); this is the case with Characters of FFVIII (if you remove the list from that article, there would still be an article, but if you remove the list in the FE:PoR list of characters, there wouldn't be anything left apart from the lead). Kariteh 10:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Kariteh. There isn't any other analysis that can be offered, considering the nature of the article. It will have to remain as a list. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Saying that, Characters in the Halo series doesn't offer much else, either. Ashnard Talk Contribs 10:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

A solid start, however some relatively minor issues:

  • Lead: reads a bit awkwardly. The last sentence, talking about its overall ranking, especially so. If you really need help improving the prose, I could prolly help you, however I'd have to fail this GAN to do so.
  • Content: comprehensive? I don't know. If the characters and gameplay are similar to content on another page, summarise it and do a main article link.
  • reception: a good rule of thumb with the Reception section is that if the table is longer than the section, you either have to cut the table or expand the section; in this case, do the latter. What did the positive reviews especially praise? Was there a difference in ranking based on area in the world? Was anything else frowned upon in the game? What about its predecessor? Why did it get a better rating? These kinds of things...

--Leave me a note on my talk page if you're done or need help. David Fuchs (talk) 18:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe that these have all been fixed. I'm not sure about the reception part that I expanded; I haven't really done that before. If someone can check it then give the go-ahead, then I (or anyone else) can drop a note on David Fuchs's talk page. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 20:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
You know, when I ask these things, I kind of expect a response. Nevermind, I'll leave a note on the reviewer's talk page now. Ashnard Talk Contribs 22:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't expect responses on non-contentious articles in hours, bub. That said, it looks improved, good enough for a GA. Nicely done. David Fuchs (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] [3] is a bit messed up

The source is Vgchartz, which shouldn't be used, and it leads to Aeon Flux. Hardly suited for a GA...

7FlushSetzer 04:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I never added this reference. I don't know enough about this website. What exactly is wrong with it? Anyway, for the meantime, I've fixed the link. Ashnard Talk Contribs 14:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

As proven by last month's NPD, it's not a very accurate source. Plus, the farther back you go in time, the less accurate it will be.

7FlushSetzer 17:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll try to find a replacent later. If I can't find one, it will be removed. Ashnard Talk Contribs 18:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)