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Contents 1 Sheerness FAC 2 League of Copyeditors 3 Citations in the Ancash Region article 4 Re: Footnotes 5 Copy edit 6 Barnstar in appreciation of your copyediting 7 In thanks for your help with Ganesha 8 WikiProject Grammar 9 Thank you 10 Re: Persian literature 11 Help needed 12 Lock Haven 13 Chennai 14 Thanks 15 Ganesha needs you again 16 Canals 17 DYK 18 Request 19 Thanks and a Groundhog Award 20 St Kilda 21 Thanks! 22 Not another one... 23 Boulder, Montana 24 ARF 25 Thanks for supporting my RFA 26 Thanks 27 Vasa (ship) at FAC 28 Idea for you 29 Belarus 30 Western Chalukya architecture 31 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 32 Death of Edgar Allan Poe 33 Wormshill 34 LOCE copyedits 35 Ernest Shackleton 36 Western Chalukya architecture 37 Many Thanks 38 Preuss School assistance 39 Ernest Shackleton 40 Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom 41 Ernest 42 LoCE tools

Sheerness FAC

Hi. I'm sorry to bother you, but as a LoCE member, I just wondered if you would be willing to have a look through the Sheerness article. It is currently a Featured Article Candidate and needs a copy-edit for grammar by someone who hasn't yet seen it. Any other ways to improve the article would also be welcome. Thank you very much, if you can. Epbr123 12:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

League of Copyeditors

I'm very sorry I haven't had a chance to welcome you earlier, I have been incredibly busy lately. We are glad to have your help. Currently, we have really cut down the backlog of articles in need of copyedit. Therefore, a major goal at this moment is to identify new articles that are in need of work. When you run across them, be sure to tag them for copyediting.

If you have any questions at all, do not hesitate to drop me a line. Trusilver 16:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Trusilver. Thanks for the welcome. I've found lots to do via the League and lots of good company. I haven't identified any new articles yet that are in need of work, but I eventually will. Finetooth 22:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Citations in the Ancash Region article

Hi, I'm sending you some of the information I have regarding the citation in the Ancash article:

• Geography: During the 1970s, the bay of Chimbote was the top fishing port of the world.[citation needed] --------- http://www.dreancash.gob.pe/ugel_santa.php ("Reseña histórica")

• Geography: The cycles of these two sea currents that affect Peru are unpredictable.[citation needed] ---------- EL NIÑO: UNA REVISIÓN BIBLIOGRÁFICA Roberto Villalobos Flores & José Alberto Retana - Instituto Meteorológico Nacional Gestión de Desarrollo

I hope this helps a bit. --Evelyn Zuñiga 18:18, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Footnotes

Sorry to have taken so long to get back to you; someone else left a message for me less than an hour later, and I didn't notice that I had two new messages.

As far as I know, it's generally accepted to have the ref=name format, largely because it gets rather inconvenient if you have several citations to the exact same work — for example, Richard Hawes has 72 citations but only 14 references; the references list is far simpler as a result. However, nobody says you have to do this — as well, since the ref=name is only used three times, it wouldn't make that much of a difference. The reason I put it into that format is that you were using part of the ref=name formatting yourself; the standard formatting for a single reference to a source is <ref></ref>. Hopefully I've been able to help you understand better; I use the ref=name feature so little myself, I'm not entirely sure of it either. Nyttend 13:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend. I've just realized that it may be better to respond to talk-page messages on the talk pages on which they first appear. Oops!

I like the ref=name format, which is efficient and simple, as you say. My concern, which I didn't express clearly in my earlier message, is that if only the first instance of ref=name includes the full citation, deleting it will render the others useless. As the WP:MOS puts it, "One should be particularly careful when deleting one of the multiple named references, because the footnote text will be deleted unless it is copied to another ref tag with the same name." One way to head off this evil possibility is to include the full citation behind each ref=name tag. Does this make sense? Finetooth 23:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit

Hi there. Thank you for copyediting the article about Eugenio Espejo. That article failed its nomination to GA because one of its reviewers thought that it wasn't well written. Among the prose problems of the article (according to the reviewer), I would like to highlight two:

• Many of the article's paragraphs are short - some are even one sentence long. These need to be combined with other paragraphs or expanded.

• I don't think that all of the sentences with odd conjunctions in them that were pointed out by the above reviewer have been fixed, yet. I also noticed strange "but," "thus," etc. claims

I am aware that you just did some small edits to the article, so I want to ask you a question: as copyeditor, do you think those problems have been dealed with? I'm asking because I would like to nominate the article again. Once again thank you for your help! --Dalobuca 14:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• • Alright! Thank you very much. —Dalobuca 21:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there Finetooth, I want to thank you for your help wiht the article about Espejo. It has (finally) been elected as good article! —Dalobuca 20:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dalobuca. I'm pleased to hear it. I agree that the article is good, and I was happy to help. Finetooth 20:18, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar in appreciation of your copyediting

Hi Sundar. Thanks for the barnstar. It's my first. I really appreciate it. I enjoyed working on Persian women's movement. Finetooth 22:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You deserve it! -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

In thanks for your help with Ganesha

		The Hindu Fire Barnstar
		Namaste, Finetooth! Thank you for copyediting Ganesha. I hope you will keep the article on your watchlist as we move it toward FAC. Keep up the good work! -- Buddhipriya

Thank you, Buddhipriya. I am pleased to have been able to help. I will keep Ganesha on my watchlist. Good luck! Finetooth 15:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Grammar

Hello. I am another member of LoCE, and I also am a part of WikiProject Grammar. If you like LoCE, you should also consider joining WikiProject Grammar. It's pretty similar to LoCE from what I can tell, since you're still supposed to look for the copyedit tags. The project is basically dedicated to fixing the errors of the Wikipedians whose grammar ain't no good ;-) Oddmartian2 18:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)My Talk WikiProject Page

Hi Oddmartian. Thank you for the invitation. I'm flattered, and I will keep WikiProject Grammar in mind. However, LoCE is keeping me completely busy just now, and I'd better not spread myself too thin. Finetooth 21:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That's okay. Consider it for the future, maybe--until then, keep up the good work with LoCE! Oddmartian2 13:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For copyediting the Smolensk War article.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome. I'm pleased to help. Finetooth 04:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Persian literature

Go right ahead and add your signature. Editing activity on that page appears to be normal, with no very specific or direct focus on copyediting. If there is an issue with who should get credit (which I douby would be the case), it can be discussed on the WP:LoCE talk pages. --Sigma 7 01:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi Finetooth. Chennai, a featured article, is currently being reviewed as a featured article removal candidate. The article as it stands is in good shape, in my opinion. But a round of copyediting by an able person like you would help much. Could you please check the issues raised at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Chennai and help us fixing them? Your own comments also will be most welcome. Thanks. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 04:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sundar. Yes. I'd be glad to help if I can. I'll have a look today and see what I can do. Finetooth 18:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your wonderful work with Chennai. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 04:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I was happy to help. I hope Chennai retains its FA status. Finetooth 16:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Lock Haven

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For expanding the Lock Haven, Pennsylvania article. Nice Work! Dincher 22:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Dincher. I appreciate it. I'd like to turn the History section into prose rather than the chronological list that's already there. I wish I knew what the sources were for the list. Also, a photo of the city skyline from across the river would be nice. I'd do it myself if I lived in Lock Haven. Finetooth 23:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Chennai

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Thanks for copyediting the Chennai article. The prose looks better than it did ever before! Lotlil 05:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Lotlil. Thank you for the compliment and the barnstar. I was glad to help. Finetooth 01:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

...for proofreading History of Stoke City F.C.. Dave101→talk  19:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. Finetooth 21:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Ganesha needs you again

You have done a great job on Ganesha. The article Ganesha is now FAC but some editors are finding some errors in the wording on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ganesha. Please help in the rewording. Thanks.--Redtigerxyz 14:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I will have another look and see what I can do. Finetooth 20:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again.--Redtigerxyz 08:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to trouble you agin; but User:Karanacs has Opposed' to the FAC on grounds the lead is not smooth etc. If you agree with her/him; please correct it in the article; if you disagree; please write so on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ganesha. Thanks.--Redtigerxyz 15:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

At this point, I must bow out because I'm not comfortable with choosing sides on this particular issue. Finetooth 18:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand. Do not take sides. But will you please take a look at the Lead; the Worship section and Common attributes; if you are comfortable with it ? --Redtigerxyz 05:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I've spent so much time on Ganesha that I can't see it clearly any more. This kind of burn-out often happens to writers and editors, and their usual resort is to hand the manuscript to another writer or editor with a fresh set of eyes. A lot of people have contributed to the Ganesha article, and they may also be getting cross-eyed. Perhaps you can find an editor who has not seen the manuscript and who can come to it fresh. Finetooth 20:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all you did for Ganesha; a second time.--Redtigerxyz 10:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Redtigerxyz 05:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on pushing Ganesha through to FA. I'm pleased to see it. I'm sending a thank you note to Galena11, copyeditor par excellence. Finetooth 18:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Canals

Hi Finetooth - I had noticed your work on Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania and think it is great someone finally started adding more Pennsylvania canal articles. I would be bold and add more canal articles.

Nice expansion of Lock Haven - I have two photos of Lock Haven on Commons already that I think you will like: Image:Clinton County Pennsylvania Courthouse.JPG and Image:Canal Monument in Lock Haven Pennsylvania.JPG. I also have another photo I will add to Pennsylvania Canal (West Branch Division)‎.

Do you know much about Clinton County history? I am trying to puzzle out some things about early township history there for another article. Finally, Choess is someone you might also bounce ideas off of. He wrote the Bald Eagle and Spring Creek Navigation and is quite knowledgable on railroads and has written on trolleys too. Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 01:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Messages on my page are fine - most people will reply on the other person's talk page, unless the User specifies otherwise at the top of their talk page. I usually watch a page I leave comments on for a while, so here would also be fine, whatever you prefer. Thanks for your kind words, always nice to have someone notice my contributions. I wikilinked the West Branch canal in Larrys Creek, it was one of those articles I had on my list to write eventually. You might also like White Deer Hole Creek as it rises in Clinton County (though I need to update it a bit).
My question was about Note B in List of municipalities in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania. It took me a while, but I think I worked out the Wayne and Limestone (now Crawford) Twp histories there, however if you could see if it makes sense I would appreciate it. Also if you know any of the formation dates for the earliest Clinton County twps (now just before 1839) or know of a better source, that would be helpful. I still need to upload the image I have for the canal article.
Finally, to put a wikilink in text to an image without showing the image, use an initial colon, i.e. [[:Image:Clinton County Pennsylvania Courthouse.JPG]] gives Image:Clinton County Pennsylvania Courthouse.JPG. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks so much for looking it over - I appreciate it very much and am glad it makes sense to someone with inside knowledge. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Good work on the canals! I'm quite impressed. One thing you might consider, if you're going to be working on the Commonwealth's canal network, is turning Pennsylvania Canal (presently a redirect) into a separate article from Main Line of Public Works; as you point out, not all of the canal system was part of the Main Line, and vice versa. I'm kinda busy these days, but since you like trolleys, I'll see if I can dig out "Little Railroads of the Lykens Valley" sometime and write up the local trolley line. Choess 13:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 20 November 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Susquehanna and Tidewater Canal, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Request

Hi Finetooth, congrats on the DYK (saw it on the Main Page and figured it was yours, then saw it here). If you have a chance, could you please look at Presque Isle State Park? It is a current Featured Article candidate and has recently been extensively revised, so it is likely an error or two has slipped in. Thanks in advance for any help with this, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure. I'd be glad to. Finetooth (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much - let me know if there is anything I can do for you! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I added the image of a canal marker from the West Branch Division to the article. Any published photo of a canal from before 1923 should be public domain. There is a photo of a "Canal at Flemington" on the PHMC Pennsylvania Canal web page here (page 3, right photo). The Lycoming County Historical Society Museum has a diorama of the West Branch Division - not sure when I'll get back there, but I can take a picture of it next time I'm there if you want. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 21:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. My understanding of the complications of photos and graphics on Wikipedia is still pretty limited, though I sorted through as much of the licensing stuff as I could stand and settled on dual licensing (GFDL and Cc-by-sa-3.0) of my own photos uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I need to learn more about using public domain material and map-making. The canal articles would all be better with maps, I think, as well as photos. I've used the existing Main Line of Public Works map in a few places, but it's not meant to show the whole network of Pennsylvania canals. If you can direct me to a map-making tutorial, or if you have any other suggestions, I'd appreciate your advice. That reminds me to thank you for the map of the old forts along the West Branch; when I was working on Lock Haven, I was delighted to find that map. The diorama sounds promising, too. No hurry on anything. I seem to have plenty to do. Finetooth (talk) 21:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a number of map requests on my plate, but I can add canal maps to the list. Here is a very brief intro into how I make some of my maps User:Ruhrfisch/Resources#Making_Maps. At one point Choess and I were working on a Lancaster County, PA map for canals and railroads, but it never got done. I think if you have a photo of a canal in a book,and that photo is older than 1923, then you are OK with scanning it, uploading it to Commons, and of course providing the source (book, web page, etc) where the photo came from. Thanks again for the copyedits to Presque Isle. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 22:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and a Groundhog Award

	Thanks for all your proofreading and copyedits - Presque Isle State Park made featured article today! Take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

		Pennsylvania State Parks Groundhog Award
		This Groundhog Award is presented to Finetooth for your proofreading and copyedits to Presque Isle State Park in support of its FAC. This award entitles you to free admission to all Pennsylvania state parks, but the hunting of groundhogs in them is still strictly prohibited. Given with respect and admiration, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 15:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I'm delighted to hear the good news about Presque Isle State Park. I will continue to treat groundhogs with the kindness and respect they deserve. Finetooth (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

St Kilda

Many thanks for your attention to this. I'm truly amazed at what can be done. Is there some way of learning the skill other than practice? I also have a couple of queries, but I'll save them up for when you're finished. Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 22:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)I

Thank you for the kind words. It's mainly years and years of practice. I'm sorry it's taking me so long. I'm away from home for several weeks, and the Internet connection here in the outback is double ungood. I've been unable to make a good connection for the past three hours or so. I'll keep trying. If you see nothing happening to the St Kilda page for many hours, that is the reason. Please feel free to remove the in-use template if I seem to have disappeared. I would feel bad if I left you hanging and wondering what in the world was going on. Finetooth 23:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I was able to get back on the Internet for extended periods last evening, and I edited through to the end of the article and removed the in-use template. I enjoyed working on St Kilda, which is a fascinating place. I'd be happy to answer any questions. I have a couple myself. I need to review the Wikipedia suggestions about ellipses, for example, and I'm a bit uncertain about how to do the subhead with the 17th and 18th centuries. Please feel free to undo any of my changes that seem unhelpful. Finetooth 16:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for an excellent job - especially so from the outback. I am only too used to remote spots with poor connections myself. I will go through it fully soon, and for now I only have two brief queries. Both are in the 'Way of life' section. You changed the tense of the phrase about waves lashing the beach. I think I originally had it in the present tense and now it's past. Of course the discussion is about the past way of life, but the waves still lash the beach. Either way it looks odd to me. Secondly, was there any reason other than brevity for removing 'either' after 'King George'? Somehow in my mind it created a sense of the incredulity the Red coats must surely have expressed at the St Kildan's ignorance of the world at large. Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 08:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you on both counts, and I've reversed those three changes. My pursuit of brevity sometimes goes a bit too far, and you are right about 'either' adding emphasis. In the wave-lashing sentence, I picked the past to match the past in the surrounding sentences. However, your use of the present tense adds immediacy; we see the waves still and always crashing and dangerous. So, yes, I agree with you. I don't think hard-and-fast rules exist for many questions like this. If you find more, please let me know. Finetooth (talk) 19:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Finetooth - many, many thanks for your hard work and assistance with this FAC, which has indeed finally passed muster. Please feel free to let me know if you need any assistance in return. Best wishes, Ben MacDui^Talk/Walk 14:15, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

...for your proofread on my beloved William Cooley article.--Legionarius (talk) 20:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Not another one...

Could you please try not drag Vasa (ship) into the auto-linking of all full dates issue as well? We've had more than enough of that pointless dispute over at Swedish language.

Peter ^Isotalo 02:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Peter, I know nothing of the dispute at Swedish language, but I'll take a look. I'm responding to a request posted to the League of Copyeditors' (LoCE) page, as follows: "GAC written mainly by non-native speakers. A check by an experienced English speaker would be greatly appreciated. henrik•talk 01:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)". I did not put a LoCE notice at the top of the Vasa page yet because I noticed that another editor was working on copyediting the lead. I have confined myself to small things thus far but intend to do a full edit of this interesting article. The question of autoformatting the dates is quite clear in WP:MOS. It says, "Only full dates or dates with a day and a month should be linked. The same applies to dates in the footnotes". I've tried to fix all of the dates in Vasa that did not conform.Finetooth (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I really appreciate your copyediting of the prose, but I would like to ask you not to link every single date you can find in the article. There have been a lot of very good arguments questioning this very strict interpretation of the MoS, particularly that of wikilinking of completely irrelevant retrieval dates of web references. The quote "The same applies to dates in the footnotes" does not appear to be present in the current version. I suspect this very sentence was inserted by some party in the dispute now being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Linking full dates.

If anything, try applying some common sense here. The wikilinking of retrieval dates serves only to make "a huge, ugly blue mess" and little else. Considering this is something that has already provoked a minor edit war and a major debate over at Swedish language, I think it would be prudent of you to revert the date changes until general consensus for this has formed over at the MoS talkpages.

Peter ^Isotalo 04:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Peter, This is most interesting. I had no idea any general dispute about autoformatting was going on. I had noticed, of course, that the autoformatting with pairs of square brackets was inherently confusing. I didn't like that, but I had no idea what to do about it. On the other hand, the fact that I don't like something doesn't count for much; to be a good editor, I have to try to follow the stylebook. Yet, you are right in saying that what I quoted from the MOS is not from the MOS but rather an interpretation. I didn't realize that when I quoted it, but I have checked the MOS again, and you are right. Common sense tells me that getting into a fight here about autoformatting is not a good idea. Still, without the MOS to rely on, I have no way to know what to do with the dates in Vasa. Perhaps the best thing for me at this point is to meddle with the Vasa dates no more. This brings another thought to mind. I see that metric units in Vasa are given precedence in some places, while English units are given precedence in others; conversions appear in some places and not in others. My interpretation of the MOS is that in articles about Sweden, metric gets preference, and quantities in the main text that have units should have conversions, metric to English, and also that the preferred spelling is metre not meter. If this sort of change is going to cause disagreement, I'd rather discuss it with you beforehand. Finetooth (talk) 05:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

As the original requester and other main author, your copyedits of Vasa are much appreciated! I'm sorry you got caught up in a different dispute unaware, but as you say, holding off on the dates for a little while may be good.

The Vasa predates the metric system, so the original measurements and the sources give the length in traditional units. If the context was historic we've used those units, but we've used metric units in modern contexts, which may be a bit confusing - but it is the convention of the sources we've used. Suggestions on how to improve this would be helpful.

And again, thanks for taking the time to copyedit! henrik•talk 08:07, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

henrik beat me to the explanation of the feed/metre-issue, but I would also like to point out that I appreciate your copyediting.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you both for your notes. I'll return to Vasa later today and do my best to improve it. I will make no further changes to the dates or the metric or English quantities or units. I will not be offended if you revert any of my changes that you strongly disagree with. This is a collaboration, and I don't own the page. I might have something to say later about one or both of the two issues we've discussed, and if so, I'll post them to the Vasa talk page or perhaps to one of the ongoing discussion pages. Please let me know if you see anything else going awry as I proceed with my editing. Finetooth (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, look! It's all shiny and new! I would like to thank you for doing such an excellent job proofreading Vasa (ship). I think you deserve this: henrik•talk 21:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For excellent copyediting of Vasa (ship) and a calm response to an initial misunderstanding. henrik•talk 21:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Henrik. I really appreciate your kindness. Finetooth (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Boulder, Montana

Hello, I notice that you've made several updates to the article, and I'm just wondering about your interest in it. I grew up there, you see, and I find it fascinating to find another Wikipedian with any interest in that town. I appreciate your additions! JSC ltd (talk) 19:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm an outsider who is visiting Basin, just down the road from Boulder. Knowing that I'd be visiting, I checked the Wikipedia articles about this area before I made my trip. Now that I'm here, I've been able to take photos of Basin Grade School and the Jefferson County Courthouse and upload them to the Commons, and I might find some other suitable subjects here for encyclopedia photos. I've been able to find quite a bit of text information on-line, as you've seen, but I'd like to add more about the history of both towns. Can you recommend any specific books or other sources of information about Basin or Boulder? I'd be most grateful for any advice you might give. Finetooth (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

ARF

Hi Finetooth. Thanks alot for copyediting the ARF article! It had been awhile I had posted it on the board and I had almost forgot about it. I checked your comments on the talkpage and have made some changes. I added some backround info to the church's division and cut-down on some [POV] repetitions in the philosophy section. What do you think now? Does it still need some changes? Feel free to edit what you think is POV and thanks again! - Fedayee (talk) 17:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Great work and many thanks for your all your contributions on the ARF article Finetooth. Enjoy!

		Armenian Barnstar of National Merit
		I, Fedayee, hereby award you this Barnstar of National Merit for the great copyediting and patient work you have done to improve the Armenian Revolutionary Federation article. Keep up the great work and hope to collaborate on more articles in the future.
		this WikiAward was given to {{subst:PAGENAME}} by ~~~ on ~~~~~

Thank you very much for the beautiful barnstar. I appreciate your thoughtfulness. Finetooth (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RFA

	Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 62/0/0 yesterday! I want to thank Snowolf and Dincher for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and since you are reading this, I haven't yet deleted your talk page by accident!). Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be of assistance, and keep an eye out for a little green fish with a mop on the road to an even better encyclopedia. Thanks again and take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 18:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks too for your kind words on my talk page, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For proofreading Kraków's c/e.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 03:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome. It is a good article about a fascinating city Finetooth (talk) 03:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Vasa (ship) at FAC

Since you've shown interest or made some contributions to Vasa (ship), I'd like to notify you that it has been nominated as an FAC. Your insights and comments would be much appreciated there.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Idea for you

Hello. Did you know that no civilian aircraft article is a featured article in Wikipedia. In fact, I see only two aircraft at all and they are military aircraft. This may change (or remain the same) as the Boeing 747 article is being considered for FA. Many like it although it may fail due to copy edit concerns.

Would you kindly help us out? It has been corrected recently but still needs an opinion. Please let me know if you can assist. Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Archtransit (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Need a few hours to consider it? Archtransit (talk) 20:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm flattered to be asked. I'm about halfway through editing an article on Belarus. I believe I can finish it today, and then I will turn my attention to Boeing 747. Finetooth (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your offer to help. It seems that 747 has been bumped by Vasa? The editors at the 747 article believe in self help so we've done about as much as we can but do need LOCE help to seal the FA nomination. One weakness is we write like aviation people, which is different from ordinary people. Aviation style tends to use long sentences with added detail. Archtransit (talk) 18:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm doing several things at once, including driving the next-door-neighbor to the hospital after a pit bull bit her. Helping with Vasa won't prevent me from helping with 747, which I intend to start doing in the next few minutes. Finetooth (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Belarus

Thanks for your efforts so far; don't let my little edits stop you. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. I'll stop for a little while so that we don't cross-edit. I have to run some errands, and I should be back in five or six hours. I'll remove the in-use template and put it back when I return. If you see anything I am missing or have questions or comments, just let me know. Finetooth (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I pretty much have no questions and all of the edits I want to do are done. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 22:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Western Chalukya architecture

I am the author of this FAC article. User:Michael Devore recommended that I request you for a copy edit of the article, which has run into grammar and presentation concerns on the FAC review. I request you to find time to copy edit this article and point out how I can improve it. Hope you find time to help me out. thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I would be pleased to help if I can. I have promised User:Archtransit that I would work on Boeing 747, and I must do that first. If you don't mind waiting for perhaps three days, I will see what I can do. Thank you for asking. Finetooth (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I will surely wait.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on this FAC. Here's wishing you a merry holiday season and a properous new year.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. I'm only about half-done, and I intend to continue today and perhaps tomorrow. I'm making quite a few small changes, trying to improve prose flow without distorting or falsifying the content. Making changes always involves the risk of introducing error where none existed. I will try my best, but please double-check my work and don't hesitate to revert anything that you think is incorrect or clumsy. Best wishes to you in this holiday season. Finetooth (talk) 18:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Everything looks fine so far.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 18:53, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I have copied your comments and my replies onto the FAC discussion page to make it visible to everyone.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 01:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I hadn't thought of doing that. Finetooth (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

Dear Finetooth, I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year! Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you as well. I love the little tree. Finetooth (talk) 20:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Dincher (talk) 20:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Way cool! Merry Christmas to you too. Finetooth (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

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		Due to your edits, Belarus became a featured article. I cannot thank you enough for your work on this article. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:03, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I am very pleased to hear it, and I thank you for your kind words as well as the barnstar. My congratulations to you and a Happy New Year. Finetooth (talk) 15:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Death of Edgar Allan Poe

I just wanted to give you a hearty thank you for your contributions and copy edits to the Death of Edgar Allan Poe article! I was wondering if you could take a quick look at the main article on Edgar Allan Poe as well - it's undergoing a fairly lengthy FA review and many comments are about the prose. It's been tackled quite a bit already so I'm not seeing anything else that needs changing - fresh eyes are needed!! Either way, thanks for the help on the death article! --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

With respect, I think I'll pass on this one. I'm heavily involved in other tasks connected to Wikipedia and to outside life. I enjoyed working on Death of Edgar Allan Poe, and I wish you good luck with Edgar Allan Poe. Finetooth (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, despite your protests, I see you've gone ahead anyway and did some copy editing - I knew you couldn't resist! Thank you so much! The article looks much better, and every little bit certainly helps! Happy New Year, by the way! --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Wormshill

Hi, I currently have Wormshill at FAC and see you have already passed on one c/e request (above). Ever the optimist (hopefully this will find you in quieter times) I wondered if you could take a quick look and see if there are any glaring issues. It has had one c/e recently but at least one reviewer seems to have continuing issues with the prose... Cheers in advance Dick G (talk) 21:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for stopping by, much appreciated. I think we're there now as most of the issues have been addressed. If you get a spare moment in the next few days and the FAC hasn't closed, please let me know if you have any final thoughts. Cheers.Dick G (talk) 05:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I was glad to help. As it happens, I'll be mostly out of range of the Internet between Wednesday and Saturday. If I get the chance to log on, though, I'll look to see what's happening with Wormshill. Best wishes. Finetooth (talk) 05:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

LOCE copyedits

Hi there, and Happy New Year!! I've come here to beg a favour, I'm afraid - I have two FAC-class articles in the wheels of the LOCE requests system, neither of which will (if left unattended) be touched for weeks. You would be doing me a great personal favour if you could find the time to look over Emma Watson (request) or Wicked (musical) (request) in the near future; I would be enormously grateful if I can face the dreaded "I don't think it meets criterion 1a)" comment knowing that they have a reasonable chance of being looked at before the end of the FAC. Many thanks in advance, Happy‑melon 21:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Happy‑melon. I'd be happy to help however I can. I should tell you that I have a real-life obligation that will take me away from my computer most of the time between Jan. 2 (tomorrow) and Jan. 5. If I can, I'll take a look at the articles later today and continue after I return on, probably, Saturday. It's good to have a direct chat with you. Our paths keep crossing at LoCE, but we're usually both in a hurry like the White Rabbit in Alice in Wonderland. Happy New Year. Finetooth (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Ernest Shackleton

Hi, I was thinking that the big "e" should be used when the word is written as a title, i.e. The Discovery Expedition and little "e" otherwise. What do you think? Lazulilasher (talk) 18:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I tried to find a definitive answer in the Manual of Style but failed. Then I Googled around to see what other people were doing; although I found instances of upper and lower, upper was much more common. I will revert my little "e" changes. Finetooth (talk) 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I replied about the notes on the Shackleton page. Let me know what you think. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I took a look at your edits and they look great. I left a message on the Shackleton talk page. THANKS! Lazulilasher (talk) 19:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Western Chalukya architecture

Hi. Thank you for your recent comment about the article on my user page. Would you please consider copying this on to the FAC page? Or can I copy your current reaction there?. Thanks a lot.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Dinesh, Things were going along fine, I thought, until you moved part of our discussion from the article talk page to the FAC page. After that was done, I said, "good", and I moved another part to the FAC page myself. Shortly thereafter, I became uncomfortable because, I realized a bit too late, that my words might be misinterpreted as taking sides in a support-oppose fight. With respect, I am not on anybody's side, and I would prefer that my latest and future exchanges with you not become part of the FAC debate. Finetooth (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok. No problem.thanksDineshkannambadi (talk) 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Whenever you have time, could you do a light copy edit to the last section I added today called "Appreciation" in this article. I am sure there are some mistakes. Thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 21:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. I need to add some content anyway. So the cpedit can wait.thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 22:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'm otherwise engaged at the moment, but I'll be happy to look at it later today or tomorrow. Finetooth (talk) 22:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The last section I added called "Appreciation" could use some cpedits, to improve prose. So, Whenever you have time... thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I had a mind to add more, then decided to keep it brief.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Many Thanks

I would just like to thank you for the contributions you made to 1988 Atlantic Hurricane Season regarding Copyediting. I'm very grateful for it, hopefully my article will pass without any further problems :) Thank you again Seddon69 (talk) 21:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Seddon69. I'm glad to help. Actually, I wasn't quite finished when I got called away on a real-life errand of four hours or so. I'm going to continue with 1988 Atlantic hurricane season this evening. It was in really good shape before I touched it, but I see a few more small things to polish. Finetooth (talk) 00:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I dont suppose you could do one more favor for me again with the 1988 Atlantic hurricane season. user:Tony1 feels that comma usage and semicolon usage are too much. I don't feel that my knowledge of english would result in a successful change of this and would most likely end up with me making things worse. I was wondering whether you'd be willing to have another look through this article and see if you can improve on this. Seddon69 (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'll see if I can get to it later today. I may have gone overboard with the no-break space codes as well. The MOS seems a bit vague on whether things like nine cows need to be nailed together to prevent line wrap or if I should only bother my head about 12 cows or perhaps only about 12 metres. I'm always interested in seeing what other editors think about such dark and arcane matters. Finetooth (talk)

To be honest i think that when you refer to 18 knots and 25 houses they are both measuring something so i feel that if you are numbering something then you should have a nbsp. You may notice we have also expanded to include Category(nbsp)3 to prevent this breaking up. Seddon69 (talk) 18:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

How do you feel about nine(nbsp)cows and other combinations in which the number appears as a word rather than a set of digits? It's a bit tedious to add the codes to constructions like three children, five boats, six men, and so on. Perhaps it's looney. I'm willing to do it if the MOS says so or if consensus has been reached on the matter. On the other hand, I'd rather not bother if nobody cares about it. Finetooth (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

As far as i know there is no sch consensus about it, and it cannot be implemented wiki-wide unless its in MOSNUM. I think that in the instance that the number is worded there is no immediate need for there to be a nbsp, but thats just my opinion. Seddon69 (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you again for the editting your doing atm :) just to let you know with regards to the 2 problems you came across in the article that you mentioned on the talk page, (ill post this on the talk page as well) With regards to TD1 im simply gonna rephrase it so that it is left slightly open but less confusing. And with Tropical Depression 15 there is little information i can add due to the lack of information at this time on Tropical depressions and the fact it did not make landfall newhere. Seddon69 (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

<undent>When I encountered them again, I plunged ahead. I said three of the 37 people killed by TD 1 were electrocuted, though perhaps I will be struck by lightning for going by my best hunch. With TD 15, I simply changed the order of the sentences, which seemed to clarify things. Please revert these changes if they seem wrong. Finetooth (talk) 21:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I think both of those are fine :) Seddon69 (talk) 21:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Preuss School assistance

Hey there Finetooth. A few months ago you contributed to an article I am attempting to get up to FA, The Preuss School UCSD. SandyGeorgia at the time left a number of MOS corrections to be made, and I was recently, to the best of my ability, able to make them. However, she(?) is on a break right now as is Unimaginative Username. And seeing as you seem pretty active, and from what I can see above very gracious and generous in helping out, I was wondering if you could check it out. I know a majority of the article needs a copy edit, although it seems to me that top has been given more attention than deeper into the article. Any help you can offer would be great. Either way, thanks and happy editing, SorryGuy  Talk  02:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi SorryGuy. I'll take a look and see what's up. Finetooth (talk) 04:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Ernest Shackleton

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		Congrats for doing such a great clean-up job on the Ernest Shackleton article. It reads much better now. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Really, your clean-up and attention to detail is commendable. Thanks again for your work on this article. Lazulilasher (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I enjoyed working with you on this article. Though no expert on polar expeditions, I find them fascinating and love to read about them. Finetooth (talk) 17:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom

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		For your kind efforts with this article! Your edits have greatly improved the quality of the article. Thanks very much! PeterSymonds | talk 08:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I second the comments above. You spotted small things that many other editors missed! Thankyou :) PeterSymonds | talk

Thank you for your kind words and the barnstar. I enjoyed working on the article and learned about many things that were new to me. Best of luck in pursuit of the FA. Finetooth (talk) 15:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ernest

Haha! For some reason I can't get my mind to do this right....what I tried to do was load up the article into MSWORD and then use the UK spelling dictionary--but even that doesn't seem to work correctly. Thanks for the offer to help, any assistance is appreciated. I think I've gotten most spelling to the UK norms, but I cannot be sure as the incorrect spellings down stand-out to my American eyes ;) Anyway, thanks for your help (again). Let's just go through the list together and we'll scratch out what we complete. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. I had forgotten who Mrs. Chippy was, but now I see. Finetooth (talk) 18:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Official congratulations - glad to see our paths crossing again. Keep up the good excellent work, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Very glad to be of service - I too have a fascination for Shackleton and find it simply amazing what he and his men accomplished. I am glad to say this was my fourth GA review and the first I passed (well deserved). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 05:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, well this was great news! Thanks for everyone's hard word. About the png file--I think it is a perfect addition to the article and would be happy to provide translation. Do you know how to edit the file? Lazulilasher (talk) 16:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on the file today, learning how to use MS Paint to add words like South Pole in English to the map. I'm experiencing all sorts of beginner frustration with unfamiliar software, but I'm learning. When I get far enough along that I have something worthwhile to show, I'll send you an update, and you can have a look. The French map has more detail than we need, I think, and I'll aim for a simpler version that won't be so exacting or take as long. Finetooth (talk) 18:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

As someone who still works with Paint a lot, you might also be interested in Paint.net, which is shareware and lets you rotate by any amount and add layers, plus lots of other tricks. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

<undent>Thanks for this tip. I haven't faced the rotation question yet, but I can see that it would be handy. As for layers, oh yow, I think I need a hands-on lesson. I'm proceeding by baby steps, pleased not to have fallen on my nose more than 10 times getting from the high chair to the kitchen table. Finetooth (talk) 19:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I usually work in a scratch file much bigger than the final map with lots of room on the edges to write words, then cut and paste them into the map as labels. I also usually have a blank version of the map saved (sometimes in a corner of the scratch file) so if I screw up a label etc. I have the original map to fall back on for repairs. I use the http://factfinder.census.gov maps for the US as they are public domain and fairly tweakable. See User:Ruhrfisch/Resources#Making_Maps if interested. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again. I've been looking at your user page for handy tips but had not discovered the trick of the larger-than-necessary scratch file. That's a good idea. It's much easier to drag the labels into position, I'm discovering, than to try to place the text box in exactly the right position at the start. Cut-and-paste sounds even better. Meanwhile, while consulting on-line maps for geographic details, I found the French map with a key translated into English on the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition page. I hadn't noticed it before. I'm plunging ahead anyway since the labels on the French map are still in French. I need to learn how to do this. Off in the distance I see imaginary canal maps for my Pennsylvania Canal series. Finetooth (talk) 19:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, just wanted to say that I think the map looks spectacular. Great work. I like it very well in the section, as well. Plus, it has the positive effect of demonstrating the actual distances travelled. Nice job. My friend has a copy of a book published containing all of Hurley's photographs from the Endurance expedition and I am going to see if I can add dates to some of the ones which we have in the article. Also, I put the article in for peer review and, as of late, have only recieved an automated script in reply. I think after a few days I'll make an attempt at nominating for FAC--it will be my first time through that process, so I'm looking forward to the criticism :) Lazulilasher (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I hope everyone's ready to do Roald Amundsen next :) hehe....I'm currently researching sources... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazulilasher (talk • contribs) 15:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you like the map. I'm pleased to have gotten past my reluctance to work through the learning-new-software phase with MS-Paint. When I catch my breath, I'll have to see if I can master "layers" in a Paint relative. I stuck to the basics, such as horizontal labels, for this one, and it really helped that someone else had already added the routes to a base map. If you see anything on the map that could be improved, please let me know. As for your plans for a peer review, great. I've created or added significantly to a few articles, but I've never taken any of them to peer review or put any up for GA or FA. I'd be interested in watching how peer review goes on an article I'm really familiar with. And, yes, I'm interested in Amundsen. I read three of Huntford's books a couple of years ago as well as some stuff about the doomed Franklin Expedition and the adventures of John Rae in the Canadian Arctic, and I found all of this fascinating. Little details boggled my mind like the fact that Amundsen at one point skied from the Arctic coast of Alaska hundreds of miles south to the nearest telegraph office to let the world know that the Norwegians had navigated the missing section of the Northwest Passage. Finetooth (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the thing about peer-review is there is such a back-log that it is difficult to have a human review your article. Usually it gets done by an automated script. It's suggested to submit an article there before going to FA which, from what I hear, can be a rather intense affair. However, if we don't get a peer-review, I'll submit it to FA and let you know so we can respond to the reviewers issues. This is my first time through this process as well, so it's all rather exciting....hehe Lazulilasher (talk) 16:31, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

LoCE tools

Oooh, thanks so much! I've just put a link to your desk on my user page, rather than copying. I haven't really been gone, just lurking. I've been working on dab pages 'cause it's easier to work in smaller bits of time, which is usually what I have. I was also waiting to see how the whole new system would work. (I'm not really a trailblazer.) I'm hopeful I can get some of the proofing backlog done in the next few weeks. This stuff is crazy old. Thanks for your help! SlackerMom (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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