Talk:Financial Domination

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There are plenty of these sites out there, I've heard quite a bit about this fetish, but I'm unable to find a reliable, objective source to cite regarding it. If anyone can help me out here, it'd be appreciated. I'm also not entirely sure if this is quite notable enough for it's own article, so it may be mergable to erotic humilation. --Darksun 14:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It's definitely worth its own article. Thanks for getting it started. --63.25.107.67 03:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Financial Domination was not wide spread until Mistress Bound opened up yahoo chat in 2001 causing the fetish to explode around the world through mere exposure. The chat was successful for some time and still exist today to some degree but is no longer as profitable as it once was. Mistress Bound retired from the chat May 20th 2007. Although she still accepts tributes from her loyals, she no longer promotes Financial Domination. Due to her role in this fetish her foes, which mostly included other women she once tried to help used her involvement with this fetish to attack her family resulting in her children being removed from her care by the State of Florida. This fetish is glorified by many but in reality most women who claim to be financial dommes and partake in it are barely getting by on paupers tributes.

I should also mention that financialslavery.net is good source for information.

Although many men claim to be money slaves, pay pigs, financial slaves, few understand it's concept and pay for services rendered which is not what financial domination is about. Many men have been forced to partake in it while trying to win the affections of a woman who considers herself a Financial Domme.

I deleted the links to the websites of the various dominatrixes/dominators. While the article does a fine job in remaining neutral about anyone stupid/perverted enough to indulge in this kind of fantasy, I don't feel wikipedia necessarily has to give publicity to the kind of repugnant leeches who practice it for a living, or purport to do so. Anyone interested can google them, anyway, so they just don't need the encyclopedy. Wedineinheck 09:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, you just did a great job of showing us you were in an emotional and irrational state when you made your decision to edit. Actually, the references (to Princess Sierra and one other domme, as I recall) were relevant to the article, not advertisements. I think I'll go ahead and revert your biased edits.

--63.25.9.239 (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's unfair to call these women leeches. True Financial Domination comes from the man's need to pay. In the early days you could deny his offers of cash and tell him he was not good enough to give you his money. The more he is denied the more he will beg, often for hours even days. It is not uncommon to receive single tributes in the thousands. Some men want their finances controlled totally and turn it all over to the woman who has his payroll direct deposited so she can pay his bills and have everything left while he lives on the bare necessities. He is happy doing this for her and he recieves joy each day as he gets up and feels as though he is working for her. Others want to be ruined financially and left with nothing.

No need to debate Wedineinheck; he's shown us clearly that he's not neutral or logical in his decision-making process. (Hot-tempered folks are advised to step away from Wikipedia!) I'm just gonna go ahead and revert his edits for now. Hopefully, if and when he comes back, he'll have had a good wank and calmed down somewhat.

--63.25.9.239 (talk) 19:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, well. We're talking about people who make a living (or at least purport to do so) by taking other people's money and it's unfair to call them leeches. I won't elaborate on the fact that anyone willingly giving his money and/or belongings to a so-called "dominatrix" he has generally never met in person and who probably doesn't give a flying fuck about him as a human being is, in my mind, either a hopeless loser, or mentally ill, or both. Wikipedia is not a forum so this is just not the place to debate about this, but I think we don't have to give excessive publicity to this kind of "business". Wedineinheck 09:34, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• • Wikipedia should never be used as a platform for advertising, regardless of the morality of the business. Darksun 11:59, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I never disputed the links being removed. Personally I don't care about links and I don't think anyone feels they want to use Wikipedia as a form of advertisement. I should also note that every single person in this world who makes a living does it by taking someone elses money. Also they probably don't give a fuck about them as a human being. I just don't think the name calling is necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.89.48 (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Spamming 2 Reversion: Sierra, DeVille, Arch 3 Male Financial Domination 4 Support Groups

[edit] Spamming

It looks like this page is being spammed by one "Mistress Mitsukai" in a clumsy attempt at self-promotion. Wedineinheck 18:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion: Sierra, DeVille, Arch

I reverted the edit that entirely removed references to these examples, but I also toned down the reverted material, because it did border on praise. We don't need Wikipedia to tell us if Valentine DeVille is a "beautiful" young woman or not. There were some weasel words in there as well, so I just chopped a few phrases entirely.
The point is not to advertise these people. It just seems that financial domination is the sort of thing that, for the genuinely curious, cannot be fully explained in Wikipedia, that examples are needed. Whether or not Princess Sierra is really the leading financial domme or not, her web site certaintly provides an EXCELLENT illustration of what the fetish/scam/choose-your-appellation is all about! Citing two women and one man is perfect, given that the field is, er, dominated by women.
I hope that, should anybody choose to again remove these references, they can provide a calm and logical explanation. Calling it "spam" simply isn't good enough. Nor are moral judgements appropriate.
--63.25.9.239 (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• The problem is the material lacks reliable secondary sources. The sites of the doms themselves do not qualify as reliable sources. The problem is, reliable sources are very hard to come by on subjects like this. Darksun (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• The section is also heavily compromised by weasel words. WHO credits Princess Sierra and Master Arch with bringing financial domination to light? Are there articles in fetish magazines or similar that could be cited as sources? Darksun (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Male Financial Domination

I looked into the Niteflirt listings for males who provide financial domination over the phone. It seems like the overwhelming theme with these men is, "I'm straight, and you're a pathetic fag, so pay me." In other words, that these men cater to self-loathing gay men (and probably quite a few closet cases who wish to be "blackmailed".) This was almost WITHOUT EXCEPTION. I saw a negative review for a dom that complained he sounded gay!
This is highly notable, IMO, as an aspect of submission, as well as how it relates gay male issues. It explains (or at least indicates) a LOT about the financial domination fetish! If anybody locates a source on this, such as an article, please speak up! If you don't want to write it, just leave a link here and I'll work with it. Thanks.
--63.25.9.239 (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Support Groups

Are there any support groups for this? It seems like this can be as addicting as gambling and even more addicting than your average porn. A person addicted to financial dommes can really ruin his life, it seems there would be a support group for this somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.72.123 (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2008 (UTC)