Talk:Final War of the Roman Republic

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Also, the move is not obstructed. Since the target is a redirect with one history entry, you should be able to do a move over redirect. —Wknight94 (talk) 00:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Requested move

Final war of the Roman Republic → Antony's civil war – Reverting unilateral, disputable change from a meaninigful to a meaningless title

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support as per nomination. --Semioli 13:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There is no commonly accepted name, but Antony's civil war is not a common one. The War between Antony and Octavian is probably best. The Battle of Actium alone has a higher profile than the "war". It is also commonly lumped together as "the civil wars". --Dhartung | Talk 06:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
    You are right, but "Final war of the Roman Republic" is not better, so there was no reason to move Antony's civil war to Final war of the Roman Republic.--Semioli 11:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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Can you really call this war Antony's Civil War? Sure, Octavian's intent was to create a civil war between himself and Octavian, but the Roman Senate declared war on Cleopatra. Antony just happen to fight in a foreign war that became a civil war. While I think that the title may be a little long, it was the final war of the Republic. "Antony's Civil War" carries the idea that Antony started the war which happen to be a civil war. One example is Caesar's civil war. That article is properlly named because Caesar actually started a war with its intent to be a civil war.

I support a change in the article's title, but not to Antony's Civil War.

Whatever. My point is that the previous change was unilateral and disputable, and should be reverted. Then we can discuss the best name.--Semioli 11:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Isn't this called the episode in the Civil War called the Ptolemaic War? Dr Zak 03:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Merge?

Considering that this "war" consisted of a single naval battle, why is this article seperate from the Battle of Actium? - Vedexent 17:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge Proposal

For anyone not aware of the fact, this article has been under a merge proposal for some time. Since there have been no objections, or debates, I propose that it be merged in 1 week, barring any vigorous debate - Vedexent (talk) - 07:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oppose Merge

While the Battle of Actium did bring an end to major hostilities, it was not the end of the war. After Octavian's victory, he marched his troops to Alexandria the year later, where he placed the city under seige. He engaged in a small battle for the seige, defeating the remainder of Anthony's troops. Following the seige and Cleopatra's surrender and suicide, Octavian returned to Rome and declared an end to the war. - Rougher07 23:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How about Antony-Octavian civil war? Or Second Caesarian civil war, because both claimed to be close to and follwoing Caesar's legacy.

For a name change?Tourskin 02:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move Article: Great Roman Civil War

How about changing the name of the article to the "Great Roman Civil War" as both sides assembled some 200,000 soldiers each, making the total troops numbers, included navy and support units, near half a million men. This would make this war the largest war in Roman history, despite the fact that the battle of actium was its only major conflict. Following Actium, the conflict lasted another year and ended with the Siege of Alexandria and the deaths of Cleopatra and Mark Antony. Rougher07 20:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleopatra

Call me ignorant, but why do so many sources say that Cleopatra took her own life by letting a snake bite her, if she was killed by Octavian himself? Also the article on Cleopatra speaks for itself, and has very solid references. I see this as enough to change what it says in this article, as the earliest sources all conclude that she died of self-induced bite from a poisonous snake. Convincam, si negatis..! --Alexlykke (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)