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[edit] Mage Masher

Isn't the Mage Masher in a number of Final Fantasy games? I know it's in XII and I think its in VI.68.19.68.214 00:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It's also in IX, as a weapon you need to kill the first great mage with.

[edit] Catclaw

The catclaw is described as being "an extremely powerful knife and was clearly a reference to Leiber's creation." This is incomprehensible since it is the only reference to anyone named Leiber in the entire article. Ken Arromdee 05:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Ryu Kaze 06:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What is a gunblade and what isn't

The gunblade section needed a clarifiction:

The weapons used by Yazoo and Loz in Advent Children are not gunblades. Their Velvet Nightmares function only as guns, while the actual gunblades used in Final Fantasy VIII only work as swords. It's only fans that have called them gunblades. Same thing with Weiß's weapons in Dirge of Cerberus. They're also different from gunblades, because they both shoot and work as swords. Seifer and Squall's style of weaponry are the only "gun-sword" weapons officially called "gunblades" in all of Final Fantasy.

Just thought I would point this out and make the correction. I will leave mention of Yazoo, Loz, and Weiß's weapons in here, though, since they're quite similar and are often called gunblades by fans. I'm just going to point out the distinction. Ryu Kaze 22:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

It really depends on your definition of "gunblade". Technically they aren't gunblades since they don't even exist in the FF7 universe, but the Velvet Nightmare, and Weiss's Katana Gun are both literally "guns with blades". The Velvet Nightmare has a blade that extends halfway down the barrel.

--Knolly 23:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The Final Fantasy definition of gunblades (which we must use here) is that the title applies only to those weapons in Final Fantasy VIII. The Velvet Nightmare officially has no sword capabilities, by the way. Ryu Kaze 16:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

But it is clearly used as a sword by Yazu to parry Cloud's First Tsurugi at several points (the fight in the Midgar Wastes, the fight in the Ancient City, and the fight in the Highway tunnel). True, he almost never uses it to slash, but parrying is definitely a sword function. Kasreyn 02:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

In a deleted scene, Yazoo definately uses both Velvet Nightmares as swords, check it out, he actually slashes at Cloud with both of them.

--Knolly 03:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I will. But I don't know if we can use deleted scenes as sources... after all, they were deleted for a reason. Maybe they were deleted because Nomura didn't want gunblades used as swords. Kasreyn 04:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

"The gunblade does not fire projectiles, despite its name. Triggering a round in the gun chamber sends a shockwave through the blade, increasing the damage potential to whatever the blade strikes at that moment (confirmed by the Final Fantasy VIII Ultimania, an official publication of Square-Enix[2]). "

Seems to me they tossed out some small continuety with past descriptions of the gunblade, as the version they put into parasite eve 2 could be used as merely a gun if you chose to, and some of the parts for making squals weapons in FF8 used things that would make you think it fired a projectile of some sort. - Ace 2006-05-19

Heh. Remember, this is Squaresoft: the weapons don't have to make sense! We have characters roaming the landscape beating monsters down with everything from umbrellas to megaphones to dolls to shields. Personally, I think the Gunblade was nothing less than the winner of the secret annual Square employee Most Ridiculous Weapon Contest. ;) Kasreyn 10:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Tsurugi

Can we get a reference on the names of the swords that comprise Cloud's First Tsurugi? The article refers to them as "Sidewinder," "Merciless," "Avenger," "Vendetta," "Vigilante," and "Ascalon."

I'm going to leave these names in there until I'm given reason to doubt it, but I'd like to see a reference for this. Ryu Kaze 06:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite positive there have never been official names for any of them. The main flaw though is that Nomura called only the primary blade "First Tsurugi". Another main reason to doubt the names is the fact that they're words that only someone with a good english vocabulary would understand, and this is a movie and game series made in Japan. I propose they be referred to by names that make it clear which one it is.

-First Tsurugi

-Red Rod Sword, Hollow Blade, or something of that nature

-Notched Swords

-Folding Swords

For the whole thing, I've found that the most commonly used name is the "Compiliation Blade," although it's far from official. How about just "Cloud's Advent Children Sword"?

--Knolly 23:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

After reviewing the article again, it also has a few problems in it, the two main ones I noticed were:

1. When Cloud cuts the Velvet Nightmare and Dual Hound in half, he cut both of them on the side, away from the normal impact surface of the weapon.

2. In Omnislash Ver. 5, the last weapon Cloud hits Sephiroth with is the left notched sword. I noticed this without even having to slow down the movie, but you can clearly see it from the motion trails when you watch it frame by frame.

3. We should probably add something about the fate of the swords, since presumably all of them except the First Tsurugi were blown up on the top of the Shinra building, since Cloud doesn't have any of the other ones in Dirge of Cerberus. The only reason I haven't added it in is because it borders on theorizing.

I'm going to be working on a sight that goes in depth into the sword and its workings, so maybe I'll come back and revisit this after it's done.

--Knolly 23:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The names, "Sidewinder," "Merciless," "Avenger," "Vendetta," "Vigilante," and "Ascalon," are not official and have never been seen on any official material, and I've never once seen them used on any Japanese websites or message boards, for that matter. They were created by a fan on the www.adventchildren.net forums, who claimed he got them from a Japanese-language diagram, but when pressed on the issue, "could no longer find the scan", and later posted an old screenshot (similair to the one shown in this article), from one of the earliest trailers, and claimed that was the diagram he saw. No official diagram of the sword has ever been found, not even in the AC Prologue guidebook or the promotional pamphlet given away at the premier. The only name given to any of the weapons is "First Tsurugi", from the director's commentary.

Also, Trolly, just because the other swords aren't SEEN in DC doesn't mean he doesn't still have them. Remember, when not in use, he keeps all of the remaining swords stored in Fenrir - which he still rides in the game. Fact is, you never see his fight with Rosso, so you simply don't KNOW which swords he has or uses. That's not nearly the same as him "not having them anymore". WtW-Suzaku 16:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing that info on the swords having names. If it's not official, it shouldn't be in here. Ryu Kaze 17:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The names of the swords have been changed yet again, this time being named after weapons from the game. Can we either get confirmation on these new names, or just change them back?

We're changing them back. They have no official names whatsoever. Ryu Kaze 01:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

--M_Gargantua 20:44, 27 April 2006

I have to change the folding/mechanical blade section. The description that the blades are identical is wrong. One of the blades extends a foot too a foot and a half longer then the other, as can be seen in clouds off-hand while fighting kadaj near the end of the movie.

The article states the main blade is open when the sword's are assembled onto it, and that is not true. The main blade is closed. The folding blades are mirror images of eachother, niether is longer than the other. I'm also not sure if the notched swords are different in any way, could someone comfirm? ~regruBgniK

The name First Tsurugi - shouldn't that be changed? In the AC audio commentary Nomura actually calls it 'First Ken',and he also said they only used that name for the first sword he uses (which is quite logical) and not for the combined sword. Technically not even 'First Ken' is a real name,but it being the name for the whole thing is not true. 84.134.219.37 12:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Sections

Well, I'm still noobie at this, but I've added the Brotherhood and Blitz ball to the list of Final Fantasy weapons. I plan on improving them a bit over time. I also have a very extensive list of weapon names from Final Fantasy X, X-2, Dawn of Souls, IV, VII, VIII, and from tactics advanced. When I have the time I plan on makeing sections for each weapon. Along with images to accompany them.

true_sephiroth Feb. 18, 2006

Well, I'm quite new to editing Wikipedia myself (I intend to get an account soon), but I believe I can help you; I know quite a lot about weapons from the series, notably the eariler games in the series. We should decide what types of weapons warrant a place on this list. I say it should meet one of two criteria:

- The weapon has an important role in one of the games (such as Tidus' Brotherhood, or the Gunblade) - The weapon appears often in the series (Such as the Ragnarok, or the Holy/Spirit Lance)

I hope I can be of help.

24.42.246.206 Feb. 25, 2006

[edit] Genji?

Although not weapons, we could definitely add a section on the Genji equipment, as it is pretty notable as ultimate armor Crazyswordsman 03:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I like that idea. I wonder why there isn't a Final Fanatsy Section on equipment? True sephiroth

[edit] Alloy-based weapons section

This naming convention implies of an subsection of weapons constructed of various alloys. Since it only describes the alloys themselves, I have renamed it to simply "weapon alloys". -Zero^Talk 20:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

And shouldn't the weapons be listed as level 3 subsections..? The alloys are counted as he construction material, so the weapns should be listed collectively proceeding that, as they are all categorized similarly. -Zero^Talk 20:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. The section refers to just simple weaponry and is stands as a sort of P/r. I also changed the title to sound clearer, and conform to manual of style standards (¹ — CuaHL 21:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excalipur- grammar is confusing

throughout the excalipur section, the sword is described as "taking" 1 damage while it is supposed to be "dealing" it. it is phrased almost like it has some special defensive power that allows the player to take only 1 damage while wielding it, which is obviously wrong.

Yeah, I agree with you. I went through and fixed it while touching up all the other sections today. Ryu Kaze 23:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Types of Weapons

Y'know, I've been thinking... what do we do about weapon types that, while common in the series, have no truly outstanding single weapon? Like Axes, or Harps; I'm not sure that Apollo's Harp or the Rune Axe warrant their own place on the list, but it should be noted that the weapon type is common. 24.42.246.206

I personally don't see them as common enough to warrant mention. Weapons like that are only slightly more notable than the bags and rugs from Tactics to be honest. Ryu Kaze 00:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I understand what you are saying, though I do find it a bit disconcerting that the list is nearly entirely sword oriented; it makes an illusion that it's the only weapon type. IMO, we should try to figure out some other non-sword weapons to put on the list.

Well, I think part of the issue is that most of the notable weapons really are swords, with few exceptions. And, really, it wouldn't be that much of a misconception to take away that swords are the dominant special weapons in Final Fantasy. For instance, main characters never have javelins, axes, or anything other than a sword or dagger (Unlimited being a notable exception, of course). Ryu Kaze 00:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First Tsurugi Addition

Excuse me, I'm just a casual Wiki user but I was at this website http://www.xanga.com/TheLegendaryHeroOfTime and I found a diagram of the First Tsurugi. I'm not sure if it will settle the questions on the name of the First Tsurugi's component's names but it would probably really be a great addition to the article. Also if anyone could translate the Japanese that would be nice just for personal information sake. Rayfire 23:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

There's actually a link to this image already within the article, but thank you nonetheless. Ryu Kaze 03:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry didn't even notice that. No Problem though. By The way much appreciation to the person who did the Gunblade section.Rayfire 06:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excalibur?

I was thinking... should Excalibur itself be on the list? While it is true that Excalibur has its own page, it's mainly on the sword of King Arthur, and there is only one line about the Final Fantasty variation, when there is more to say about it... 24.42.246.206 19:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure what else there is to say about it, myself. It's a moderately powerful sword that appears quite often, but is usually just that: moderately powerful. I don't think it was ever the most powerful sword in any of its appearances, either (Ragnarok always beats it out, often to be beaten out itself), and it doesn't have any special characteristics, really. Excalipur/Excalipoor is more notable by virtue of its peculiar attribute. Ryu Kaze 16:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm inclined to disagree with you this time; while it may not be the strongest sword, it almost always has some unusual way to acquire it (getting the Adamantine in FFI and FFIV, getting it from Elena in FFII, being a Sealed Weapon in FFV), and technically, in FFIX, the Excalibur II WAS the best sword. The Ragnarok and Holy Lance both have a place on the list partially due to that as well. 24.42.246.206 02:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

In FFVI, it wasn't gotten until almost the end of the game, and you don't do anything unusual to get it (Beat the Goddess!) Crazyswordsman 01:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I (Yes, I'm the same person, just on a diff. computer) said ALMOST always. And who keeps on changing Excalipur to Excalibur?! That's really getting irritating. Should we say, in bold letters, that it's NOT Excalibur?

[edit] Removal of Omnislash Ver. 5

I have removed the Omnislash Version 5, because it is a limit break technique, therefore not a weapon in itself. The weapon, as we should all know, was the First Tsurugi, and not Omnislash. If you disagree on my judgement, then revert the article. But I still believe that the Omnislash Version 5 does not belong in this section. If it did, then we would see a lot more limit break techniques in here, such as Cloud's Meteorain limit break, would we not? --Myoukami 13:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah... that is more of a thing for a 'Final Fantasy Abilities' page, which I believe was suggested a while ago... 24.42.246.206 13:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

As noted in the edit history, I disagree with all mention of it being removed, as it's something that can only be performed with the First Tsurugi because of the unique nature of the technique. Meteorain, Blade Beam and the like most obviously can be performed with any sword. Ryu Kaze 00:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I understand that, but it is still only an ability. It may be true that he would only be able to do that with the First Tsurugi, but it is still a limit break attack, not a weapon in itself.--Myoukami 11:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but if we're going to mention this or that ability associated with this or that weapon, it makes little to no sense to leave out Omnislash Version 5 when talking about the First Tsurugi, as he obviously couldn't do that with any other weapon because the attack is formulated around the design of the weapon. Ryu Kaze 02:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not FF

"A weapon called "the Masamune" also appears in Chrono Trigger, but the name was introduced only in the English translation, whereas the original Japanese name of this weapon is "Grandleon." The weapon reappeared in Chrono Cross, and could be merged with another to become the "Mastermune," Serge's ultimate weapon. In Japan this weapon is called "Grandream," though the Masamune itself is called "the Masamune.""

This part of the Masamune section isn't about FF, so I took it from there. I hope you agree.

That's probably for the best. Unlike the Buster Sword, First Tsurugi, Save the Queen and Ultima Weapon references in Kingdom Hearts, the Masamune's appearance in the Chrono series is not an intentional FF reference as far as we know. Ryu Kaze 02:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Needed additions

Dragoon Lance - exists in VII and X that I know of. IV also?

It DOES exist in IV. It's a rare weapon that has a 1/64 chance of being dropped by a Red Dragon. Crazyswordsman 01:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Excalibur. It's worthy of inclusion, or at least a link to its page. It makes no sense not to include it just because some weapons are usually better.

Sun Sword - I'm curious, was this ever re-used after FFI?

Also, I note that most of the weapons here are ones which are re-used in many games, but some (blitzball) aren't. Does that mean any weapon from an FF game can be included? In that case, why not Princess Guard, and other named weapons?

Also need a sections on gun weapons (not gunblades, guns - I'm thinking of Vincent here), and sections on shurikens and gloves. Perhaps even Cait Sith's Megaphones and Red XIII's hairpins?

Also, I should point out that the special effects of the Coral, Were, and Dragon swords in FFI were intended, and were even noted in the manual, but due to an error were omitted. In the NES FFI there are no added effects on these swords, despite what the in-game text says. In the Wonderswan Color 16-bit remake (which IIRC was also used for the Origins remake), the added effects on these blades *are* working.

Well, the 'Dragoon Lance'... I think it and the Wyvern Lance seen in II (In Dawn of Souls, a weapon for Ricard), IV, and V are supposed to be the same thing. It might also be the Dragon's Hair, Freya's best weapon. I agree on the Excalibur deal.

And if we are to put all of the types from FFVII, I think that Axes, Hammers, Harps, Rods, Staves, etc. should be there too. 24.42.246.206 15:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy IV: Legend sword

It is notable as a plot device. Perhaps we could list it under Excalibur? Crazyswordsman 01:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes... if we actually do add Excalibur. (I suppose you wrote this when that person changed Excalipur to Excalibur_|) 72.38.187.62 20:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition to Buster Sword?

2 additions for ya, one is most certainly viable and the other is a slight reference that probably won't make the cut.

1 - Gilgamesh in FFXII wields a bunch of famous weapons from Final Fantasy (along with one from Dragon Quest). Among these is the Buster Sword (although it has "fake" in Kanji written on it). I think that this is more than viable as it is clearly an intentional reference to previous FF games. Gilgamesh also wields the associated weapons of each character from FF VII-X.

2 - In one of many references in FFIX, Zidane speaks one line referencing a spiky haired guy he used to know that wielded a sword just like the one he is viewing. The sword he is viewing is naturally the Buster Sword.

Anyhow, I think number 1 is worthy for addition, though spoiler tags may be in order? CloakRed 15:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Question about Buster sword: dident Cloud first come to posses the sword after Zack hade been killed by Sephiroth? In the Nibbelheim reactor? Sephiroth kills Zack, Cloud arrives at the scene and sees Tifa, enters the reactors main chamber and see Zack half dead, who asks of cloud to kill Sephiroth. Then Zack give his buster sword to Cloud and then dies, after which we get to see a scene where Cloud gets firts impaled by Sephiroths massamune and then chop Sephi with his Buster sword, who ends up falling down the reactor?? Not being shoot down by Shinr troops??

No. There is a hidden cutscene in the game that explains further. On Disc 2, after doing the thing with Cloud's memories (where Tifa helps him figure out who he really is), and Cloud is back in your party, the cutscene becomes available. To watch it, return to the basement of the Shinra Mansion in Nibelheim and enter the laboratory. The cutscene shows Zack and Cloud escaping from captivity after being captured by Hojo (refer to Zangan's letter when you get Tifa's final limit break). Zack clearly was only injured, not killed, by Sephiroth. The cutscene shows Zack helping Cloud away from Nibelheim, giving him a spare suit of his (Zack's) clothes to wear, and giving him the idea of becoming a mercenary. Then it shows them walking towards Midgar when they are attacked by Shinra troopers (not SOLDIERs). Zack is machine-gunned to death, and Cloud is so weak they leave him for dead. Cloud gets up and takes the Buster Sword. So, yes, it's absolutely known for sure that neither Zack nor Cloud were killed by Sephiroth.

There is also another cutscene, can't remember where it is in the game, that shows Tifa finding the amnesiac Cloud sleeping on the street in Midgar against a lamppost, and takes him back with her to Seventh Heaven. Which is to say, the various cutscenes form a sort of prelude showing how Cloud came to be in AVALANCHE. Kasreyn 22:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay since u know so much can i ask another stupid question? What happens to Sepehiroth after he falls down the reactor, why does he kill the president who was president before Rufus whatever his name was, and why did he chosse to return to Midgar? And then go on a very long pilgirmage to the northern continent, being followed by Cloud and CO. (man my memory is all fuzzy). AND why the hell are all thosse crucial scenes (like that one with Zack) allways hidden! Mainstream gamers like me find it confusing! And while we are talking: WHY OH WHY The Dirge of Cerbrus? Dident they fell that Advent childeren was enough spiting on a great game??(removing Clouds mine like shoulder guard, turning him into a wuss, inflating Tifas breast into Barbie like dimensions, and making her sound like a pornstar sighing in a sex movie when she fought?? (maybe bad translation, only saw it in English))Ok now im ranting about but after i wrote the previous, i watched a bit off VII advent children, and MAN, did they try to fuck up ff7? I actualy felt ashamed just now when Barret shows up and scream something like: "YOU LOOK AFTER MARLENE RIGHT??" while a "cool" guitar riff kicks in, so that evryones gona know that: "oh we wanted the movie to be cool!!" WHY not use the music in the game? some tracks where brilliant. And back to that Dirge of cerebrus, why not just redo ff7 with beter graphics?? I could kill for a game like that. Dont get me wrong, I dont think Graphics is all, but in a game like ff7 where you virtualy are sucked in, graphics can make you belive your actualy in the game. Dont change a thing, you might even keep Yuffie(who i hate but since she is in the game originally then keep her) but improve the graphics, make the camare angles a bit more 2nd person so that you might see all the huge reactors n shit. In a pefect world...

Oh and by the way: Does Barret empower his gun with his energy or strenght or something? that "big shoot" limit break, is the "Shoot" coming from his cyborg arm or is he manifesting his energy into the gun?

~~I can answer alot of those questions for you~~

1: When Sephiroth was thrown into the Nibelheim Reactor, he didn't die. His body was preserved in crystalized Mako and followed the lifestream's flow to the Northern Cavern where the Planet was still healing from JENOVA's arrival 2000 years ago.

2: He's not physically himself, it's his 'spirit' that attacked President Shinra because the President was after the Promised Land, and Sephiroth wouldn't allow anyone but himself, (who he believes is the sole survivor of the Cetra re-incarnated and he alone deserves to find the Promised Land for himself); so he killed the President for that reason. Also, he let Cloud and the others follow him so that they would help him get the Black Materia since Cloud's memories made him easily manipulated.

3: The cutscenes aren't actually hidden when you think of it. All you do to trigger alot of them is simply play the game. Cloud's memories are a main plot to the story for the end of disc one leading into disc two where he fixes them with Tifa's help in the dream state they were in. And then random occurences, like the Shinra Mansion basement, Kalm's hotel room story, etc..

4: As for Dirge of Cerberus (also Core Crisis for mobile phones), it was meant to further the storyline of FF7, and give more detailed background information on Vincent Valentine's story. Being that he's an ex-Turk member that was used in experiments that turned him into a demon by Dr.Hojo and being involved romantically with Sephiroth's birth-mother, Lucrecia, audiences wanted to know more on his story, and SquareEnix answered.

5: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children was made the continue the storyline furthermore since FF7 is regarded by many as the best of the Final Fantasy line-up. The movie itself was well made and had excellent voice-overs for the Japanese version, I would recommend getting the Japanese version with english sub-titles over all, so I agree on your opinion that the English dubbed version of this movie was awful, especailly the voice actor of Aerith, just awful.. Beside the English version, the film was a great success. Actually on the same topic about the movie where you mention how they ruin it with guitar riffs and Tifa's horrid voice overs.. The new music was mainly because Nobuo Eumatsu loves to make reprises of his works and invent new songs for titles of SquareEnix, I say he did a great job on the film's Soundtrack. And again, the voice-overs were bad because of translation and poor casting for actors.

6: Why won't they remake the game in with better graphics? Easy.. Why ruin a good thing? It's the best selling Final Fantasy game even with 64-bit graphics. SquareEnix thought of doing this anyway when they showed a teaser trailer at E3 of 2005 of the opening cinematic being shown revamped using the PS3's earlier processing power. Very impressive, but only a tease since no more public info is being given about that project.

and finally, 7: Barrett's arm cannons are the ones firing bullets and blasts, nothing to do with energy or strength. Limits like 'Big Shot' and 'Catastrophe' are just concentrated blasts made with his weapon.

Hope I helped some, anymore questions just ask since I could probably explain the whole storyline very easily having beaten the game over 20 times on PSX and PC.

[edit] Chain whip

Isn't the chain whip's first appearance actually Final Fantasy IV? I remember Rydia being able to use whips as an adult, and if my memory serves me the second whip is a chain whip. TheMuuj 10:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, and it was in FFV as well... come to think of it, why is the chain whip there? I thought the Firebute Whip was more important... 72.38.187.62 13:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The First Tsurugi's Name and the Velvet Nightmare

I thought about doing it myself, but am not sure how you guys would react, so I thought I'd post the info here first...

"First Tsurugi" is not the official name of all of the swords, or any part of them. In the Director's Commentary, Nomura called the main sword the "First Tsurugi" because it was literally the first sword that Cloud used. The Advent Children Reunion Files said that the swords internally had been called the "fusion swords" and none of them had names. Also, they're marketing the 1/6 replica of the six swords that's coming out later this year as the "Advent Children Buster Sword."

Also, there's something about the Velvet Nightmare tidbit that bothers me... The sword does have a cutting function. It has a blade on the barrel.

Pic 1 - Here you see that while one sword isn't even touching the Velvet Nightmare, the larger one is grinding against the blade.

Pic 2 - You can clearly see the Velvet Nightmare's blade in this pic. It's the dark piece of metal on the bottom of the barrel that ends at the same point that the little design on the barrel ends.

Another Pic Courtesy of Blazing782 on a forum.

--Knolly 21:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually...Tsurugi is a reference to broadsword like weapons...as such I beleave it references the main blade only...and that each piece is named after it's number in assembly and the type of sword it is...

--User: Jesse 15:15, 18 Aug 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cloud's Sword in KH2

The section about the Buster Sword is wrong in saying that he was using that sword in Kingdom Hearts II. The pictures I have seen of Cloud in KH2 he is holding First Tsurugi - albeit, wrapped in badages like the Buster Sword was in KH1. The best way to tell is look at the hilt of the sword - it has the bulky cross-section of First Tsurugi that all the component swords click into. Anyway, I'm editing both the Buster Sword section and the First Tsurugi section to reflect this.

--MimiSard 10:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, looks like someone else at least noted as much in First Tsurugi's section.

--MimiSard 10:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial/excess/gameguide cut

I've started revamping this page — it's going to need a lot of work. We'll probably have to do a complete reorganization. Also, please remember not to include stuff like where weapons can be found, details about their special attacks, etc, as that violates WP:NOT. — Deckill e r 02:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of FFVII WEAPONS

The article says "Ultima Weapon appears in Final Fantasy VII as one of five WEAPONS featured in that game". Weren't their only four WEAPONS in the game (as in the PS1 game, not including the spinoffs)? Or was there an additional one in the Japanese or European version? Koweja 02:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind - I forgot about Sapphire. I thought it and Emerald were the same WEAPON. Koweja 03:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zodiac Weapon

Can someone please find information on the Zodiac Spear aka the most powerful weapon in FFX11; even though there was an Ultima Blade. Interestingly there were many weapons stronger than Ultima Blade in this game. Zodiac Spear has some significance as the the different espers come from the Zodiaz, the most powerful esper is called Zodiac so the most powerful weapon is called Zodiac Spear. I'll include this stuff until anyone else has something more to add to it Noman953 03:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming

I suggest that this list be trimmed to only include recurring and/or popular/well-known weapons from the Final Fantasy series. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It's on the queue; Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy has a decent outline. — Deckill er 22:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)