Talk:Final Fantasy character classes

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[edit] Wakka

Wakka from Final Fantasy X uses a projectile attack (his blitzball). By default, he learns special abilities that boost accuracy and inflict negative status. That would seem to identify him as a hunter wouldn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.163.242.143 (talk) 06:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Reception and criticism?

Is it really necessary to include a "Reception and Criticism" section in this article? This article deals simply with explaining the different classes which have been present in the various FF games. The reception or critcism of class systems employed in each individual game or the portrayal of a class in a specific game is independant of documenting the classes which have been in FF games, and such specific criticisms would be better placed in that game's article. 75.128.252.51 05:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree with this. The class and other systems are so radically different in each game (despite similarities to the classes themselves, in games that have them) that I don't see how any sort of general reception or criticism to them in the whole series could be made. It's still empty, too (2 months later). I'm removing it. Of course, if anyone can actually find something to put in it, they're welcome to re-add it. 76.202.59.91 02:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There's no deadline in Wikipedia. It's been added by an editor who wishes to add an out-of-universe context in the article ( and I know he will ). There's nothing wrong with the reception section being in this article, in fact this and the "history" section will save this article from deletion in the case of "not notable fiction". Give it time. — Blue。 10:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAC

Will be nominating this article for GAC once I finish the reception section. I know we don't have every single job appearence referenced, but it's not material likely to challenge, so it doesn't fail the GA criterion in that department. — Deckiller 21:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Is the FFV job screen pic from the fan-translated ROM? I think a picture from an official version would be more acceptable. Kariteh 20:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated it. Kariteh 10:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Alright. I'll try to seize this moment and find more reception info. — Deckiller 14:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging in FFXI character class page

I think this could be done very smoothly. I was shocked by the sheer amount of overlap, and at every section there is a link to this article, so perhaps a few sentences on FFXI's character class distinctions could bolster this articles nomination. Judgesurreal777 03:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely not. It should remain seperate. FFXI is an MMORPG and uses a different style of character jobs than the Main FF does. FFXI's classes article is specific to FFXI, and this article is general for FF as a whole. It should never become merged into any FF game article, let alone one that is radically different that every other FF game by being in a completely different genre. There are similarities, but they are not the same. --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 06:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC) This is why one should not edit in the middle of the night, I originally read this as a proposal to merge this article into FFXI's, not the other way around. Since I have reread it and realized my idiocy, let me restate my view: I don't have any objections to the merge. --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 08:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards merging. FFXI has a different audience, and a well written article about the FFXI jobs would have reception and criticism information which would be very specific and irrelevant to the FF series as a whole... But I wonder of much of this out of universe information is really available. Besides, it could be put in the main FFXI article instead, just like what could be said about the FFV, T, TA jobs etc. The argument about it being a different genre is hardly relevant in my opinion. Wikipedia is not a game guide, so a lot of the "radical" differences are technical stuff that shouldn't even be mentioned. The genre (RPG, Tactical RPG, MMORPG, etc.) doesn't really matter since the themes, designs, and inspirations are the same, and that's what is relevant. Kariteh 08:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I was more thinking of a Gameplay of Final Fantasy XI article to help get rid of the character classes in XI article and help trim down the massive gameplay section on XI's article before the FA push. Other FFs have character or story-centric articles due to focus; this game is 100 percent gameplay, so it's ok to make an exception and create a gameplay subarticle. — Deckiller 12:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I think that may be a great idea, since it would pave the way to get FFXI featured. Judgesurreal777 16:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
But if the main FFXI article -- a video game article -- doesn't deal with the gameplay, what could it possibly deal with apart from beating about the bush? Kariteh 17:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
No; the main article will summarize the gameplay in 5 paragraphs or so, with a main article template to the Gameplay article per WP:SS. — Deckiller 20:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll close this merger for now, until we can get a consensus on where it should go. Judgesurreal777 05:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Onion Knight

Although this is a great article, there seems to be one job missing. The Onion Knight job class. Without this class, this article is not, in my opinion, complete. --64.24.45.216 15:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

You are welcomed to add it in. — Blue。 14:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

While I would like to see more in the reception, in its current form it is well sourced and thorough. One thing though; some images are missing the detailed fair-use rationale. I'm going to assume that you'll do it, and pass. Good job. David Fuchs (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added fair-use rationales. Kariteh 21:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks. — Deckiller 06:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MISSING JAPANESE VERSION NAMES

IVE READ THAT IN FINAL FANTASY 1 YOU EVOLVE FROM A BLACKMAGE TO A BLACKWIZARD AND FROM A FIGHTER INTO A KNIGHT BUT ARE IS IT A FAN TERM OR ARE THEY ACTUALLY CALLED THAT? AND IF SO WHAT ARE THEY CALLED IN THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE VERSIONS? THANK YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.17.249 (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

CAN YOU NOT TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT'S NOT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO CONTEXTUALLY HOLD "SHIFT" WHILE TYPING
Anyway, yes, that's all true.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 05:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details missing

Details missing include... Fighter : Typical skills include the lowering of stats of the enemy Dragoon: The ability to control dragons. Summoner: None of the description talks about the Summoner's ability to summon entities of magic, I don't know how this was missed out, all it talks about is how fragile the class is. Blue Mage: Didn't mention that the typical weapon of the Blue Mage in the Tactics/Advance are Sabres Red Mage: Didn't mention that the typical weapon of the Red Mage is depicted as the Rapier. Chemist: Misleading, says that the Chemist is a healer, whilst they can also be damage-dealers —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrTheKay (talk • contribs) 15:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Fighter: That's not a central facet of the class that is inconsistently applied anyway. Dragoon: They rarely use dragons in battle. Summoner: That appears in the first sentence. Blue & Red Mage: Their weapons are not their central characteristics. Chemist: if you feel something's missing, you can change it yourself! That's the beauty of Wikipedia. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)