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[edit] Happy Annyversary FFX!!!

Today 5 years after it's US release it is a Featured article on Wikipedia. congratulations !! 14:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC) (Renmiri "undercover")

Documented for posterity Image:grin.gif http://ffproject.net/forumwiki/index.php/Image:Ffwiki19.jpg
Nice. Isn't it great? Ryu Kaze 19:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Aye!!! Congratulations to all that contributed, but mostly to you and Deck Renmiri 19:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Tenth installment"

This isn't the tenth Fainal Fantasy game. THere's all sorts of games not in the numbered series. FInal Fantasy Mystic Quest, Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, not to mention numerous gameboy FInal Fantasy whose names I forget. Maybe tenth numbered installment? Karwynn (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

To me, in "tenth installment of the Final Fantasy series," "series" implies the numbered sequence of titles. I would expect "franchise" or something similar to be used in referring to all Final Fantasy titles. -- Super Aardvark 16:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Karwynn explained it. As far as the series itself goes, that's the numbered titles/core series/main series/whatever you want to call it. Ryu Kaze 19:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

While Karwynn is right Jacob Finn is too and frankly I'm on Jacob's side this time. Kou Nurasaka 18:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

The real tenth installment is FFVIII(8)because the 1st and 2nd titles(for the nes)weren't exported from Japan to Europe and America.
Actually it was the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th titles not exported. But after FF3/FF6, there was a sudden leap in the series. FF1 was FF1, FF2 was the Japanese FF4, FF3 was the Japanese FF6, and FF4-6 weren't released outside Japan for a few years. External markets (ie, non-Japanese) wondered for a while what had happened to FF4, FF5 and FF6. Ong elvin 12:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers Tags?

Were there ever spoiler tags in the article? If so, were they removed or vandalized out? --Polkapunk 15:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing - there should be a tag on the story section so it doesn't ruin anything for those who haven't played the game yet.

The spoiler tags were removed for being unencyclopedic, redundant of the fact that this is an encyclopedia and absurd given the fact that all the plot details are in the unsurprisingly titled "Plot" section. Ryu Kaze 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Various people keep adding the spoiler tags back in despite their removal and the explanation here of why they're not appropriate. Long story short, people, please read this and please pay attention to it: spoiler tags are a redundancy and a violation of Wikipedia's NPOV and no censorship policies. Furthermore, they're not even an encyclopedic tool. Useful to some people, yes, but they don't aid in the encyclopedia's comprehensive mission, which alone is grounds enough for their removal according to the encyclopedia's very first policy.
On top of all of this, we're an encyclopedia. We're here to educate, not shield people from knowledge. Even without the tags violating policy and encyclopedic principle, it's a ridiculus contradiction of the concept. And I rather think that people are intelligent enough to figure out that all those many paragraphs under "Plot and setting" contain plot details. Please stop adding the tags. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fansite that caters to ignorance. Ryu Kaze 21:56, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
  • It is standard Wikipedia convention to add spoiler tags to sections of articles which contain significant "plot-spoiling" information. This convention has been applied exceedingly widely to Wikipedia articles, including ones like King Kong, Don Quixote, Dracula, and Final Fantasy (video game).
  • ... However, with that in mind, just because something is a widely-used convention doesn't make it right. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Its job is to present information, not to protect people from it. And the fact that all the "spoilers" in this article are in well-labeled, obvious places (e.g., they are solely in the plot sections, where users would expect to find them, not in the lead or gameplay sections or anything) makes it rather unnecessary even if one wants to protect users from spoilers, which I don't think is really an encyclopedia's concern. It's a nice thing to do sometimes, but it's hardly critical. -Silence 22:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to add a spoiler template. If it's in the wrong place or is inappropriate, move/delete it! Leon... 03:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So is it decided now? No spoiler tags here or what? Aeneiden-Rex 12:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Correct. No spoiler tags here. Ryu Kaze 14:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand your concerns, but I support adding the spoiler tags. Brutannica 20:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • No spoiler tags are needed. The "story" heading is good enough....why warn people a second time, especially if wikipedia is not censored? — Deckiller 20:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I move that the inclusion of spoiler tags is not, in fact, censorship. After all, no information is being altered or removed. It is simply warning the reader of the article of a section that they may not want to read just yet. I believe that a certain marking of the spoiler-intensive area should exist, if only to tell readers when the spoilers are over. Conversely, I am of course willing to go along with whatever majority decides - it's a Wiki, after all. However, I propose that if spoiler tags are unnecessary here, then they are unnecessary everywhere, and so should be removed from every such article.
    • Personally, I think that would be a wonderful idea. Especially given that the large majority of those things show up in sections with the unsurprising header of "Plot", "Characters" or "Story". Throwing those things around all over the place only defeats their purpose anyway: why condition someone to expect those things every time a plot detail shows up when the tags aren't always going to be present? It's a practice that undermines itself. And, yes, they qualify for censorship. The presentation of the info they accompany is being altered from the norm. Ryu Kaze 11:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
  • So, erm... is there some official policy on this, or did Ryu Kaze decide on his own that spoiler tags were censorship and shouldn't be included? --Ryajinor 21:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
It's part of the WP:FF Manual of Style not to use Spoiler tags, and it's the general consensus of WP:FF and WP:SE to not use Spoiler tags on Featured Articles, preferably not on any but at the very least they are unnacceptable on Featured Articles. See also the current discussion and the archives on Talk:Final Fantasy VII. Nique1287 21:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there is a different reason why you shouldn't be doing things like this (and I think it's worthy of consideration) and that is the Wiki standard of the plot/story's description being excessively long, as the Template:Plot tag could be used and this could be discussed on the main WP:FF page about all the plot descriptions on each FF page being way too long in comparison to the other sections of the article (many of them in the WP:FF project are, in fact, pretty long and are a complete rehash of the entire plot, including any and every subplot, which is not allowed in Wiki anyway in the way it is presented). Darkpower 11:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No World Map

I think there was a negative critical response about not having a world map (the first to not have one). I don't have a source for it, but I'm sure it was critized for being linear.

There has been a bit of criticism about the linearity, but I'm not sure that anyone actually in the media criticized due to the lack of an overworld map. I seem to remember those doing that mostly being fans who thought that SE reps saying "Final Fantasy is about change" meant "Final Fantasy will always be the same thing". If you can find a reference, though, feel free to bring it to us. Ryu Kaze 19:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the linearity has certainly been one of the things Final Fantasy X has been most widely criticized for. But I've never seen anyone criticize it for not having an explorable world map. (And it does have a perfunctory world map, in the form of the airship map, though it is an instant-access one rather than one that requires journeying across it.) -Silence 22:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was general consensus that non-linear gameplay was "better" (more fun to the player) than linear gameplay. If that's the case, then FFX's change to more linear gameplay wouldn't just be a change, it'd also be a step backward for the series.--RealmRPGer 21:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
General consensus of who? Since when did anyone just "decide" that non-linear gameplay was "more fun"? Any unsourced statement of that sort is simply original research. Axem Titanium 22:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I figured it was common sense? Non-linear game play essentially boils down to more options, and who doesn't like more? RealmRPGer (talk) 07:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anima

I don't see Anima as being influenced by Jung's anima. Anima being a Latin word akin to spirit, I don't see how Jung's anima bears any relation. --65.4.73.249 07:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Jung's anima is the feminine side of a man's personal unconsciousness. The aeon Anima is derived from this concept because she represents, in a sense, the feminine side of Seymour's unconsciousness, though on a more literal level she embodies his mother (which itself has interesting Jungian consequences). -Silence 08:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The aeon also features an animus half underneath the "portal" thing. You only see it when using Anima's Overdrive, though (or on the action figure). Ryu Kaze 12:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
That's true, I forgot about that. Of course, the connection is still somewhat loose (a giant, one-eyed, winged mummy from hell doesn't immediately imply a Jungian anima to me), but that's hardly anything new for Final Fantasy-type references (see, e.g., Shiva). And either way, there's even less, by far, of a connection to the generic usage of the word anima: Anima has absolutely nothing to do with the soul/spirit. -Silence 12:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah, Xenogears and Xenosaga pwn anima/animus allusions :) — Deckiller 15:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I could see it being a Jungian "anima"...it's chained up and extremely powerful, right?—ウルタプ 13:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Yep. It's the game's most powerful aeon (it normally really is stronger than the Magus Sisters). And like you said, chains. Ryu Kaze 16:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's a translation of Anima's info from Seymour's bio in the Ultimania Omega (I didn't translate this part; it was done by pmog, some person on GameFAQs, so full credit to them):
"The Cursed Aeon Anima
'Anima' originally has many meanings. For example, its roots of 'an ideal woman for a man' shows Seymour's feelings towards his mother as his Fayth. And as Seymour considers Anima the darkness within himself, the Latin meaning 'soul' also connects. The aeon reflects the heart of the summoner. Consequently, it created the cursed figure of the aeon."
I think it fair to say there's some Jungian elements there. Ryu Kaze 16:28, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Great find!!! Now if only we could find a mythological reference for the Magus Sisters! The best I could find was the Mother / Maiden / Crone triad.... (or the 3 fairies from Disney's sleeping beauty ;-) tehehe) Renmiri 19:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I can see the Maiden, Mother and Crone connection, but that one's probably going a bit far into original research. Ryu Kaze 02:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Aye, hence I didn't add it here or on the Mythology or Character list pages Renmiri 04:00, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm gonna bring back the Anima part...Anima is sth like a dark aeon(not the supperbosses).It is also Seymour's mother.

But the question is...how did she become an aeon?Has she(or Seymour)anything to do with Zanarkand?And why is it in constant pain?

When they (the Tidus and the others) are moving through the ruined blitzball stadium in Zanarkand, there is a brief cutscene which reveals that Seymour's mother was going to scrifice herself to be the final aeon. So perhaps when she became the final aeon through Yunalesca's powers, the young Seymour entrapped the aeon in a statue like the other aeons, in Baaj temple. This explains why Anima is so powerful and how Seymour's mother became an aeon, as for the pain part, perhaps it is because that Anima was forced too act out Seymour's evil acts, even though the soul of Seymour's mother inside it knew her son was doing wrong.

Or something LastmanSAC 02:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voice Cast

Where's the article's cast list? If it's a featured article, it's no good without it's cast list! Jienum 20:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

See External links: Final Fantasy X at the Internet Movie Database. Renmiri 22:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Optionally, look on the top of this page Renmiri 22:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
The cast list was deemed inappropriate during the process of getting the article nominated to be an FA because it was a rather long section that just listed a bunch of names. As such, it pretty much fell into the category of trivia and the unloved category of being a list. That being the case, we took the more appropriate measure of adding an IMDb link, as Renmiri mentioned. Ryu Kaze 00:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sold Copies

Good day, The article says that more than 4.3 Mio copies were sold worldwide, the cited source says that a total of 7.93 Mio were sold. Why does the article give the lesser number? --84.184.126.216 09:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone changed it without explanation. It's been reverted. Thanks for the concern. Ryu Kaze 13:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem, pure self-defense :) I want to translate the article to make the Final Fantasy article in the German Wikipedia a bit smaller and give FFX the space it needs and deserves. --84.184.126.216 14:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engine and Programs used to make it

Somebody should add a section on what they used to make it, I am aware they used Maya for FFVIII but I was looking to find it on here but I couldn't see anything.


[edit] Best selling game?

This strikes me as odd. In the opening it is said that FFX was once in the top 20 best selling games. Following that link [1], FFX isn't even mentioned in the PS2 section [2]. FFX-2 is mentioned, however, stating it has selled over 5 million copies. I suggest someone adds some numbers and evidence, because now the notion saying FFX was once a best selling game isn't verified. --Soetermans 19:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at your link again. It seems that FFX has sold 4 million copies and is completely verified. Axem Titanium 03:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm flabbergasted. Or ashamed, if you will.--Soetermans 21:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mentioning Tidus' rebirth

There is a little debate over the usefulness of this sentence:

After the credits of the game have completed, a short cutscene will show Tidus waking up underwater and swimming towards the surface.

This sentence should definitely appear in the article in my opinion, because it's relevant here. One argument that has been mentioned against it is that it shouldn't be here because "it's explained in FFX-2." I fail to see how pertinent this point is though. First, compare this with other ending sequences, like the PSX Chrono Trigger ending. The identity of the "kid" found by Lucca is explained only in Chrono Cross, yet do we mention the existence of this cutscene in the CT/FFChronicles article or in the CC one?

Second, why should it even be explained at all? It's a cutscene which is seen in FFX, it's a fact pertaining to FFX. Even if a sequel didn't exist, this cutscene would still exist in this game. It's important to mention the existence of this cutscene because, while the ending shows that Yuna is sad, Tidus has died, and it's supposed to be a sad ending... this short epilogue appears and instills a bit of "hope" in the sequence. It sheds a different light on the ending of the game. This cutscene has an effect, and doesn't need an explanation. Scenes like that appear in a lot of endings, in Xenogears for instance. The stuff about Krellian is never explained and yet it's important to note (or should we not mention that fact and reserves it for a "Xenogears Episode VI" article?). Similarly in FFT, the scene with Ovelia and Delita is never really explained and it ends with three dots, but it's still the effective conclusion of the game's story. Same for the ruined Midgar city seen with Red XIII at the end of FFVII: should we remove this and put it in the... Dirge of Cerberus article or something?

Third, there is, simply put, a common sense point. Is this scene shown in FFX? Yes, it is. Is it shown in FFX-2? Not necessarily. It's only shown if the player gets the best ending, else it's not explained at all as the rebirth is apparently disregarded and Tidus remains dead. Thus the mention is more relevant here than in the sequel article. Kariteh 15:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, comparing it to Chrono Trigger is moot. Chrono Trigger had 12 or 13 different endings, and even though Lucca found a Kid in one that turned out to be a character in Chrono Cross, it's not the same as a character dying at the end of the game, and appearing to be ressurected in an ending with no explanation in that game. All this aside from the fact that it was an optional ending, with a cute little story in it, and it's not mentioned on the Chrono Trigger page as far as I can see. (I used Ctrl + F for Kid, and all I got was a quote from Chrono Cross in the references. If you can point out where he's mentioned in Chrono Trigger as being in the ending, I'm willing to retract the relevant part of this section.)
Secondly, yes, the cut scene would still appear in this game, but it has no relevance to the plot. He gets ressurected, but if you play the sequel, he's not yet ressurected, hence it's not canon at that point in the storyline anymore, not since the sequel was released.
Thirdly, it's not shown only if you get the BEST ending in FFX-2, all you have to do is a couple of little things in chapter 3 (talking to Maechen in Guadosalam, and pressing B in the field of flowers in the farplane when Yuna falls in until you hear 4 whistles) and then press X after the Chapter 5 Complete screen, which gives you the second-best ending. Yes, you could go through the game without seeing it since it's a sequence of necessary events some wouldn't think to do, and yes, the scene is shown at the end of FFX without having to press any buttons, but it's still very easy to accomplish, and the many people that use FAQs to play through, even on their second or third time through, will know to do this. In FFX, it's given without any explanation, and it's nullified by the sequel's premise that he has not been ressurected yet (unless you want to go into the technicalities of Yuna recounting the story of how she ressurected him, as you find out is what presumably happened if you play through the game and get the better ending where he is ressurected. Just the fact that the sequel shows that he is not ressurected between the two games shows that it should not be included here in the Story section, for fear of confusing readers, but on top of the other reasons I listed above, it definitely should not be included. Nique1287 17:20, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I am completely lost in the conversation above, but i can explain it. Tidus was swimming in the farplane when he first goes there. Although i'm not quite sure on the physics of the farplane it is a possibility LastmanSAC 02:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Can someone remove the text?

There's a line in the article that says "Aauron is really hot oh and so is Wakka, and Tidus." And I can't remove it for some reason. You'll be able to see first visiting the article, for they mispelled Auron wrong and the line is in bold text. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeoTheLeonardo (talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

it's been gone for a couple of days, you need to purge your cache, as your computer has saved a version of the page with it in and is loading that instead of the newer version. (Hit CTRL+F5) --PresN 05:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
There is a line at the end of the story section that says "Jason likes cock" or something like that. I tried removing it but that doesn't show up in the edit window either. I've never viewed this page before, so I don't think its a cache issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.215.173.247 (talk) 12:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VII-X Connection

I'm sorry to ask but can anyone explain this one to me? I've never really noticed a connection...--Vercalos 08:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not obvious until X-2. Shinra speculates about the enormous amount of ntapped energy in the Farplane. In the X-2 Ultimania, a scenario writer states that Shinra was never able to tap that energy, but once space travel was possible, Shinra's descendants found Gaia/"the Planet" and were able to tap the Lifestream.—ウルタプ 13:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It was also expanded upon in the Compilation of FFVII (in Dirge of Cerberus at least). In DoC, Cid has got a new airship and he mentions that he didn't create it, he found it in some excavated ruins. Incidentally, the airship interior looks a little like what we see in FFX/X-2. Kariteh 17:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
im confused about this as well, there doesnt seem to be any specific information about this. Do you mean to say that both games are set on the same planet? or just in the same universe? So the airship thing means that FFX occurs before VII in chronology? Is there anywhere that has specific information about this? - Mloren 04:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I can't find those old links to the FFX Ultimania translations, but it's different planets, same universe, and yes, that would make X come before VII.—ウルタプ 07:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I always believed it was some non-canon link thought up by the producer just for fan interest. 私はBluerです 09:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
It was "thought up" by Kazushige Nojima, the scenario writer of FFVII, X and X-2. His statements cannot be non-canonical, since he created all these stories in the first place. Kariteh 10:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't we put something in the article about the connection to avoid further confusion? Beachw 13:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it's not really something integral to the story of it. It's an interesting, but not terribly important, piece of trivia. Nique talk 17:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

THis is an incredible long shot. But when i started playing FFX, i also watched Advent CHildren at around the same time, the connections between the two worlds are horribly obvious, especially with the characters and chronology of gameplayLastmanSAC 02:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


This would mean that it takes place in the same universe as final fantasy XII, because Cloud pops up in Final Fantasy tactics which takes place on the same planet as XII, Just a few years before hand. I think all final fantasy games are connected one way or another anyways. (just look at kingdom hearts, though that is non-canon) (Masterxak 08:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC))

Cloud pops up in FF Tactics because of the lifestream. It transports him to another world for a short time. It's not the same world —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.81.106 (talk) 09:57, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

I was confused about this too. The sentence "Kitase and Nojima decided to establish a plot-related connection between Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy VII, another popular Final Fantasy title" doesn't really make much sense, and if it is not possible to explain it more clearly then it should probably be removed.Hobson (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] spoiler

someone removed my spoiler warning , which i only put there after i red though it assumeing no warning ment no spoilers, which was a mistake. im just tryin to keep other people who are still playing it to make that mistake. so any reason why it should not be put back there? yeah the fact that some "cencus" says no spoiler warning in ff articals is dumb. Not everyone knows that , and it can basicly ruion the game , because of how plot heavy it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.199.230.121 (talk)

As I said in the edit summary, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Final Fantasy/Manual of style for why spoiler warnings are not to be used on any WP:FF page. Quote: 11. Per consensus, Spoiler warnings will not be used for any article associated with this WikiProject. For further details, see Talk:Final Fantasy X#Spoilers Tags? as well as Talk:Final Fantasy VII/archive 4#Spoiler Warning. You may also want to brush up on Wiki's consensus policy. (Also, please put new discussions at the bottom of the page, or use the little + button at the top of the talk page to create a new discussion automatically in the proper format, as well as signing your talk page entries.) Nique talk 02:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Also 68, just a heads-up, encyclopedias are "spoiler"y in nature. If you don't want to know the current creation theory don't look up "universe" in an encyclopedia. If you don't want to know the plot of FF10, don't come here.—ウルタプ 00:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, 68, just a reminder, I have noticed that you have spelling errors, typos and bad grammars, so you may want to check the spelling and grammar. Also, it is the policy of WP:SE as well not to add spoiler warnings. Sjones23 21:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Aside from WP:SE, it's also the policy of WP:FF. Also, no offence, but you're really in no place to talk about "bad grammars" and poor spelling. Nique talk 02:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually I'm pretty sure it's the other way round. It's the policy of WP:FF but it's not WP:SE's, at least not "officially" (which means anyone could oppose it since it's not set in stone). Kariteh 07:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, then any article which is under both said WikiProjects will have contradicting policies, WP:FF is under WP:SE. WP:SE's stance on the spoiler thing should be made clear. Bluerです。 なにか? 07:58, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] squaresoft or square enix?

I've noticed that the opening title to FFX says "squaresoft presents" yet all the game packaging uses "square enix." Anyone know why? Mr toasty 18:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The game was released several times (Greatest Hits, Millenium Hits, and a Japanese-exclusive X/X-2 compilation). The packages of the versions released before the merger say Squaresoft while the ones released after say Square Enix (although the game in itself is the same besides the translations). It's also the case for FFX-2. Kariteh 22:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
The Japanese version of FFX-2 was released before Square Co., Ltd. and the Enix Corporation merged to form Square Enix Co., Ltd.. In the opening titles of the Japanese version of FFX-2 and all versions of FFX, the opening title state "Squaresoft presents". Just a heads-up. Sjones23 19:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yunalesca's Defeat

Maybe I'm reading the whole thing wrong, but there seems to be no mention of Lady Yunalesca's defeat at the hands of the party. Not only is it one of the most difficult battles of the entire game, but also it ends any chance that, should Yuna and her Guardians be defeated, another pilgrimage could be used to bring the calm. Though they had decided that they wanted to find another way to defeat Sin, by destroying Yunalesca they forced their own hands into finding a more permanent way. It is actually rather monumental in terms of the story. I didn't add it myself because I wanted to make sure I'm not incorrect, but I definitely remember that the moment the battle started I thought, "Well, Spira's screwed." Vaguely 18:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the story section to include her defeat. Sjones23 18:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

Yuna's name stated in this article refers to "night" in Okinawan, but her name is stated in Yuna as "moon" in Okinawan. So is "night" or "moon" correct? --121.6.184.26 18:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. According to the source, it means "night". Axem Titanium 20:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Is the source correct? or what? i just thin that "the sun and the moon" sounds better then "sun and the night" —Preceding unsigned comment added by LastmanSAC (talk • contribs) 05:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blitzball?

The recent merging of Blitzball to this article saw unrelated information that has nothing to do with the said game being placed within. I've undo the change with a valid reason - unrelated information. — Blue。 00:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trimming down the article

WP:NOT#GUIDE, WP:NOT#INFO, WP:CVG/GL#Scope_of_information and WP:WIAGA(3b)

Does anyone else think the Battle System and Story subsections could do with some trimming and summarising? Not sure on how the Battle System subsection might be trimmed, but the Story I've got a general direction. With the Story, I would look at the core plot, and only include things which affect that plot. So references to Seymour Guado for example, I would remove, since in the end he isn't related to how Sin is eventually defeated. Sentences such as Additionally, it is revealed that Auron himself is an Unsent, having been killed by Yunalesca ten years earlier when he confronted her in rage after the deaths of Braska and Jecht. These litter the Story subsection, and I would remove them. Ong elvin 05:10, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:TidusYunaEmbrace.jpg

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BetacommandBot 04:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed- rationale added to image. --PresN 03:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:FFXRedCarpet.jpg

Image:FFXRedCarpet.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 18:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed- rationale added to image. --PresN 18:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FFX International

Current revision under versions and merchandise incorrectly states only the European version of release of the game came with the "Beyond Final Fantasy DVD". This was also included in the Japan release. Updated to reflect that and state the International version of the game utilized the PlayStation 2 HDD and could be played in English. These edits were reverted by Axem Titanium with the reasoning "sorry but that's a little too detailed for inclusion on a general purpose encyclopedia" My natural inclination to revert these edits. However, before I do, I'd like a general consensus. Thanks AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Concerning the Beyond FF DVD, I would like a clarification as to whether it is the normal Japanese release or the International version that includes it. That the PS2 HDD can be used is not particularly notable since many games also do the same thing and its use here is not too special. Above all, your edits lacked citations to preserve the verifiability of the article. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back. 1)Agreed. I do believe there are two versions. However, in that vein, this needs to be clarified for the European release as well. As the article stands it lacks that clarification. 2) Use of HDD is notable as the original release of the game did not feature this capability. It was an enhancement that impacts the game play (no loading screens, seamless transition from in game to FMV). 3) Assuming good faith, wouldn't it be more prudent to source, or request source on the talk page, of the uncited entry as opposed to deleting it out right? AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 01:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The fact that there was a difference in HDD compatibility between versions is not, in and of itself, notable. Loading times do not impact gameplay unless it is sufficiently bad as to negatively affect it, but since it doesn't in the original, any improvement would be trivial. My main contention is that it is not vitally important that these facts be noted in the article since they don't have an assertion of notability. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, ok. I see I'm fighting a loosing trivial battle, concerning triviality. I'm a new wiki user, but it seems everyone is using wikipedia guidelines to be staunchly, condescendingly, bureaucratically militant and talk down to anyone who makes changes that they don't approve of. I'm sure you have good intentions, but let's try to be a little less patronizing? Good luck with maintaining the article. Thanks. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 17:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I sounded patronizing; that was certainly not my intention. If it makes you feel any better, this happens to everyone (including to me, back in the day). Eventually, you'll get a feel for what is and isn't too much detail to include. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Technically, the PAL version is the only one with "Beyond Final Fantasy". The bonus DVD of FFX International is "Other Side of the Final Fantasy 2", which is a sequel to the bonus DVD of the original JP release, "Other Side of the Final Fantasy." Perhaps "Beyond Final Fantasy" has the same content as OSotFF (I wouldn't know, as I don't own either one), but it's not the same as OSotFF2, as it doesn't have the "Another Story ~ Eien no Nagisetsu" scene. Majin Izlude talk 15:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The cause of the creation of FF X-2

It is mentioned in the article that success is the cause of making FFX-2. But FF7 had sold more than FFX and we had to wait even longer than FFX to have a sequel.

No, I heard that the fiasco of the movie FF:Spirits Within was also a major reason for Square to start doing sequels. What do you think ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sseb22 (talk • contribs) 09:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Overuse of Fair Use Images

I have some concerns w/ some of the fair use screenshots in this article. Per WP:NFC, less is more, as fair use images must both be significant and be used minimally. I could be given to understand six, maybe seven screens, particularly with a game w/ as much plot and as many gameplay mechanics as FFX, but nine is overdoing it. Specifically, I have concerns w/ the following images:

  • Image:FFXoverdriveexample2.JPG: Overdrives are an important part of FFX, but not a vital gameplay mechanic. I don't really see how it aids in the description of the fictional world of Spira or the game's distinct art style as it says in the rationale. Moreover, only four of the seven main playable characters in the game use the "fighting game-style inputs" that the image depicts. A more informative image would be one of a more prominent gameplay element such as Aeons and Summoning, the Temple's "Trials," or maybe even of the minigame Blitzball. As it is, the image shown would brobably more befit this article.
  • Image:FFXRedCarpet.jpg: I like this screenshot; it depicts one of my favorite moments in the game. That being said, images are not to be used in a decorative manner, as this one appears to be. One can barely recognize the characters depicted, and only someone who has played the game would have any idea how this could be a rescue attempt at a wedding. The fact that the event depicted isn't even close to being described in the Plot summary indicates its superfluity. A more encyclopedic image would probably depict the hight-tech "Dream Zanarkand" so it can be contrasted with the Zanarkand Ruins or with the low-tech villiages of FFX Spira.

—Hydrokinetics12 (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I think they should be removed too. FightingStreet (talk) 15:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)