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[edit] Please don't vote to delete this again

Not to say I told you so, but the release of additional information this week at ComicCon did seem fairly inevitable. ;-) I would hope that an official creative team being on hand would be enough reason to keep the article this time around... --Roger McCoy 03:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You hit the nail on the hammer, McCoy! (from another opposer to last week's deletion). Dyslexic agnostic 16:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What the...?

Weren't all earths (re)merged into one by the end of Infinite Crisis? How come they are all disjoined again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.109.43 (talk) 20:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Read 52 -Armaced (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Salted

I have protected this page from recreation until the issues that resulted in its initial deletion are addressed. Once the information here is supported by independent reliable sources there can be an article on this subject. When that happens you can ask that the page be unprotected at my talk page or WP:RFPP. Until(1 == 2) 00:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I've undone this - the issue in the AfD was clearly not the sources (Newsarama has long been considered reliable) but the lack of actual information. Enjoy your article. Phil Sandifer 13:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other use of the phrase.

I'd just like to point out that I just noticed that the last issue (#12) of Crisis on Infinite Earths is also named "Final Crisis".--SeizureDog 04:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grant Morrison Interview

Is it relevant to add that Grant Morrison has stated that this will not be a continuity reboot? [1] Hazardous Matt (talk) 20:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV issue?

In the "format" section it states the series will not cross-over with any other series "much to the delight of fans". Isn't this an NPOV (and fairly unsourcable) claim? Hazardous Matt (talk) 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot section over-hauled

Rewrote the plot section (complete with references for the reference nazis on Wikipedia) to reflect the main overarching plot for Final Crisis: Darkseid's the last God standing out of the entire Fourth World and that now that the Fifth World of Gods is rising and no one is left of the old Gods to oppose him, Darkseid plans to bring about a new age of evil upon the universe. I've also tossed into the equation the plot of "Legion of Three Worlds", which is being set up to be the Final Crisis tie-in that will have the most impact towards the main series as far as the fact that it will be dealing with the major plotlines from "Countdown" that Morrison won't be addressing (IE the Legion, Brainiac Five's lightning rod which is of grave importance, and possibly the notion that Superman will be busy with the Legion and be MIA during the course of Final Crisis mini-series. --BakerBaker (talk) 05:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 31st or 30th?

"While in the 31st century, Superman is summond to the 30th..." Even if this is accurate (I haven't been following Superman) this is a tad confusing.  Hazardous Matt  13:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Few Concerns...

1) Where is it confirmed that Orion is the survivor of the New Gods? 2) Where was it confirmed that none of the Tie-Ins would be in Ongoing existing titles? I was at the NYCC panel and it seemed to me that "Rage of the Red Lanterns" was a GL storyline that would tie in to final crisis, not a stand alone mini. 3) should we separate the One-Shot storys (Sumbit, Resist, Requiem) from the Mini's? 4) Should a section be added to discuss the planned one month gap in the story's printing from the perspective of the plot?

MaxusDarte (talk) 21:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


1) Issue # 2 of Countdown and the last issue of the Death of the New Gods mini, Orion kills Darkseid and is the only one left. Kur 22:14, April 24, 2k8

  1. As Kur points out, Countdown and Death of the New Gods ideally leave Orion as the last survivor, and fading from view. However, Darkseid has been used for the Final Night add copy and at least 3 characters from the Fourth World haven't been addressed: Little Barda, Forager, and the GL who IIRC was converted into an Alpha Lantern.
  2. See here. 3 minis: Final Crisis: Rogue’s Revenge (July, 3 issues); Final Crisis: Revelations (Aug, 5 issues); and Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds (Aug and 5 too). 5 one-shots: Final Crisis: Requiem (June?); Final Crisis: Superman Beyond (Aug); Final Crisis: Submit (Sept); Final Crisis: Resist (Oct); and Final Crisis: Red Lanterns (Nov).
  3. Since we've got the cite, sounds like an idea.
  4. No, and the "Relationships" and "Tie-ins" should be subbed to "Format". That is part and parcel to the publication intent of the series.
- J Greb (talk) 03:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
SPOILERS but The Final Crisis Character sketchbook contains mockups for many of the New Gods, and Morrison has talked openly about Darksied being a major player in Final Crisis. In fact, bizarrely, if anything, from all the previews it seems as if FC has Orion being the only god that ISN'T alive at the start of the series.
Also what to do about DC Universe which appears to set the stage for not just Final Crisis but a lot of other summer storylines [1], also it looks like a newspaper has leaked major spoilers for it [2]. (Emperor (talk) 15:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC))
More bits and bobs. (Emperor (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
It's also gotten press outside the comics industry — [3] and it got play on the AP. That article was on the CBC site, but has scrolled off. - J Greb (talk) 01:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
More and a review. (Emperor (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2008 (UTC))
Another review. (Emperor (talk) 22:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC))
Commentary. (Emperor (talk) 01:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Is it just me?

I've read and re-read the Plot section of this article, and its just horrible. There are quotes that are credited to no one, very few citations of actual information, and the whole thing is a jumble. The facts may be correct, but the way they are put together and explained (if explained) leads to much confusion. Maybe someone could go over it and make that section more coherent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.48.198.194 (talk) 19:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, there's a lot of stuff in there that's purely speculative and very little of it cites any sources for the information. It does look a lot better now but I think that's besides the point. Whether it turns out to be true or not, I think for now the plot section needs to be reduced. DavetheAvatar (talk) 18:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I've just removed the "And the story will be" material. Feel free to re-add non-plot summary stuff from the sole cite. Otherwise, it should be kept out until after the issues are published, period. - J Greb (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unnecessary stuff

Lots of stuff has been added which is NOT relevenat to Final Crisis. Yes, these things are being touched on in in-house ads and DC Universe #0, but they have nothing to do with this particular story, so I'm removing them. They are big DC projects for 2008, not part of FC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.115.100 (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tie-Ins

I think the tie-ins can be arranged a bit differently (if they are necessary, I'm not even debating that). Do we need to list each and every individual issue of every tie-in (as well as the parent series itself)? There's a great deal of redundancy that could be removed.  Hazardous Matt  20:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree - we killed the checklist of tie-ins over on Secret Invasion too (see discussion there) - it is the kind of thing the publisher or a fan site might want but I don't feel it is appropriate for an encyclopaedia. Just crunch them down into a list of tie-ins. It may be they get spun off or we expand them into smaller sections here (and then look into splitting later), just not the checklist. (Emperor (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
In this case, I think we should remove things that are not expressly Final Crisis tie-ins (i.e. DC Universe and JLA) and include and discuss the official FC tie-ins (i.e. the miniseries with Final Crisis in the title). Since, well, I would think that Final Crisis would, in fact, discuss all of the series that made up Final Crisis and had "Final Crisis" in the title. Phil Sandifer (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't see a problem including the tie-ins that are directly involved, I just think the structure could be reworked. We don't need that long list detailing ship dates and issue numbers.  Hazardous Matt  20:57, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
DC Universe and JLA #21 are worth mentioning in the publication history and/or the lead in to Final Crisis but we don't need it in the tie-ins sections. (Emperor (talk) 21:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC))
Perhaps for stuff that is not expressly branded "Final Crisis" we could go with something like "Ramifications on the DC Universe line" or something. Phil Sandifer (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)