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[edit] Blanked as unsuitable

I've blanked this for now because it's being used indiscriminately on articles about non-free media, and solicits what is almost certain to be non-free material.

Blanket solicitations of non-free material are not suitable for a free content encyclopedia. --Tony Sidaway 03:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to Gmaxwell for fixing it to ask for a free image. Wish I'd thought of that! --Tony Sidaway 03:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

However it is now asking for the wrong image. This template was created for film articles. In film articles we need firstly a film poster or a DVD or videocassette cover. If people start entering directors and actors in the infoboxes, it will not be consistent with the rest of the articles. If this template has been used (misused) in media other than films, it would be better to remove it and to create another template for these articles. Asd it is, the template is misdirecting. It sounds more like a template that should be in WP Biography. Hoverfish Talk 20:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

If there are films for which the film posters, etc, are free images, then those free images can be uploaded and used. Otherwise, foundation policy means that we must use available, relevant free images. A picture of a DVD cover is almost certainly not suitable for Wikipedia, while free alternatives exist. Eventually the inappropriate non-free images should be replaced by free images, and if consistency is what you're aiming for, then it will be achieved in this way. --Tony Sidaway 20:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
When the template was first created, it was to help improve the quality of the film articles by adding images (hence the title). Of course this is a free content encyclopedia, but getting free images for the films is very difficult to do. We want to get at least a movie poster or screenshot etc. that is properly sourced and has its appropriate FUR. As long as we have the basic need met of having at least one image to illustrate the article, any free image is a welcome addition and of course preferable. I'm not saying that our project is attempting to just bypass the free images so we can get attractive movie posters, but the fact that it so difficult to get free images on many of these film articles would cause editors to not attempt to add any images at all. I believe that the template should go back to what it was, helping to ensure that editors continue to add images. Perhaps another sentence could be added to the template saying "If possible, a free image is preferred, so please add an image if you have one" or something to that effect (I'm sure somebody could word it better or use part of what it currently says on the template now). --Nehrams2020 20:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
It is significantly more important for us to get freely licensed content for all of our articles than it is for every infobox of a single WikiProject to have the same particular kind of unfree image. We shouldn't be soliciting unlicensed content at all. Experienced editors who are willing to upload unlicensed content and take responsibility for it already know what is expected in articles, so this template's former purpose seemed to be encouraging new editors to upload unlicensed content and acquire a legal responsibility that they may know nothing about, performed solely on the basis of what looks like an official recommendation. We don't want that, and we don't want to teach new editors that Wikipedia encouarges the uploading of unfree, unlicensed media. Jkelly 20:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

We have many thousands of film articles with film infoboxes with images of film poster, DVD and VHS covers. Of course if the images are not properly uploaded they get deleted. Does the new policy say we shouldn't have these images? They are all under fair use rational, copied from film databases and other commercial sites. We do not accept images that need any kind of special permits. If what you say is so and is being enforced, it will be more than 99% of our images which will have to go. This will be a dramatic change. I think we should know about it in WP Films. Hoverfish Talk 20:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I reverted. Wikipedia still allows fair use. If you want to add something to it that says a free image is preferable, go ahead. - Peregrine Fisher 20:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Change it to say it needs an image, and a free one is preferred, I guess. Saying it just needs a free image is not enough. This template is used to determine which film articles need images. - Peregrine Fisher 20:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's not start reverting one another, please. We need to understand what is going on first. Hoverfish Talk 20:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

No, we do not need actors and directors in film articles, this will create a big problem. Such images are for biography articles. Hoverfish Talk 20:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

How about "Possible images include a picture of the set, a DVD cover, or a film poster." We may want a link to FU in there somewher too. - Peregrine Fisher 21:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

LOL, it seems I've been so busy I've missed something important. Others may have missed it too. What is an FU? Can you please link to it. I need to catch up. Hoverfish Talk 21:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC) Oh, you mean Fair Use. Well, we are careful to go by it aren't we? Hoverfish Talk 21:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I hope it is all right now. I added a link to FU and a warning of deletion. Hoverfish Talk 21:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
This looks like an improvement to me. Thanks. --Tony Sidaway 22:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
This looks a lot better, good job. --Nehrams2020 22:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deleted -> removed

If you add a fair use image to a page which is not suitably fair use it will be removed from the page. If a fair use image is not used it will be deleted. I think the previous wording was misleading because say I add a fair use image of a director to a page it will be removed not deleted since it may very well be fair use on the page of the director not the film. Although, I doubt this will be controversial? gren グレン 11:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

What I meant was that an image that doesn't follow Fair Use rules should be deleted as image. For example if a poster is 1200px or even 600px, it isn't really a Fair Use image. I tried to put this in few words, but I didn't word it right. What you write now is also true, but doesn't warn against unfair images. Hoverfish Talk 12:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)