Talk:Fijian traditions and ceremonies

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[edit] Just a comment

I have just created this article and will continue to work on its formatting and structure; help in doing this would be greatly appreciated.

Vinaka Maikeli MB 01:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] complexity

This article is too complex. I have started eliminating the redundancy but it needs some major editing as such.Lgh 22:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fijian complexity

Thanks for your edits which greatly helped the article on Fijian traditions and ceremonies, there were one or two minor points which I changed back however 90% of your edits I left as were correct just regarding your comments above you should bear in mind that Fiji Traditions and ceremony is complex however the article is a general overview designed to give the first time reader a true picture of Fijian Tradition and ceremony as it exists today some Major editing was done by the League of Copy editors, however its format still needs a little work though, thanks for your input on the article, please continue to edit to help make it a better encyclopedia article you may also want to help with the Religion in Fiji article Vinaka Maikeli MB 01:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] far too complex

Do we really need every detail of the yaqona ceremony? the making of mats? etc? This is an article not a definitve text surely. Surely as editors we should aim for economic prose and attractive layout. I still feel the article needs serious editing down by someone more quailifed than myself in matters Fijian. It would probably suffice to say something like: 'the yaqona ceremony is highly complex, and includes ceremonial mixing of the drink and presentation of the bilo cup to various people in order of rank, with appropriate verbal responses made at each stage of the process.' And leave it at that. The average reader is not going to remember or want to remember half of what is currently written there, while the expert or student reader will look further into the matter and get definitive references. Lgh.

I am in Agreement but we must bear in mind that the Yaqona ceremony has large social importance in Fiji and as long as that is conveyed in some way I suppose we should reduce the content on that section as I am too close to the article because I wrote it I feel my judgment is not the best as I have an emotional attachment, a good Editor with experience on the subject as well structure and format of articles would be Xorkl000, so run it by him and you'll get a fair and accurate response on what to change. Vinaka Maikeli MB 02:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vanua?

early in 'social structure' the term vanua is used:"obligations to the vanua" without there being any explanation what a 'vanua' actually is. I put in a phrase: 'provincial nation' in a clumsy attempt to explain 'vanua' - obviously someone more expert needs to help out as the phrase was correctly deleted. The Maori term whenua is presumably similar, and the Philippine tagalog term 'tag banua' meaning the 'people of a place' is also related. Lgh 01:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Vanua is actually explained in the section by the comment of a Fijian expert and scholar Dr Asesela read the section again, however very simplistically put Vanua is a region within in an province. if you feel we need to add this in the article then do so, Vinaka, Maikeli MB 03:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)