Talk:Figure-of-eight follow through

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This is the same as a "Figure-of-eight loop" We are just discussing a different method of tying. That said it can also be used as a bend than it would be different. What is needed is a better picture showing this method to be used to tie two ropes together.

Mierlo 00:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

If the knot is the same as a figure of eight loop, I think this article ought to be merged with the article concerning figure of eight loops. What do other people think? After all, there's no point in suggesting a merge only I want! --CarrotMan 07:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Support - The knot is the same, no need for a separate article. - Nmnogueira 15:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I am curious, how long is it beneficial to wait before merging articles? WikipedianYknOK 08:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I also support this merger. For minor stuff I usually wait a week or so, and for bigger things like merging two articles sometimes maybe a little longer. But this has been sitting here for months, so I say go for it. There are a bunch of climbing knot articles laying around in fairly bad shape, so feel free to be WP:BOLD.

Just a couple suggestions regarding the merged Fig-8 loop article... Any images should show the rethreaded form tied through some sort of closed ring or other similar object which implies how the rethreaded tying method must differ from tying it in the bight. Images like Image:Figure8follow.jpg.jpg showing it on a biner defeat the purpose of differentiating the two tying methods. Also, take a look at this page for some comments regarding possible strength differences between the two ways the working and standing ends emerge from the knot. As a climber, do you have a sense whether this is a relatively well-known, valid distinction to be making? If so, the images/diagrams should show the knot in the stronger configuration. --Dfred 15:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I had not ever heard "that the standing bight...should lie on the outside of the bend". It does make sense at least with kernmantle rope if it reduces the sharpness of the final turn to the standing end, that could retain more rope strength. I don't know of any sources on knot efficiency that go into that much description on testing different variations in how the knots were tied/dressed to say if their is a tangible difference either way. Its ironic, I the way I tie it is exactly the opposite since keeping the final turn on the inside seemed to me less likely to capsize under shockload.

The only suggestions I had heard for the figure 8 loop knots are common with several climbing knots: tie a stopper knot with the short end, and/or leave a least a foot rope past the knot. WikipedianYknOK 15:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this knot also called a "Figure of Eight inline"? I support merging with figure of eight.

I don't think it is. Their is a Inline Figure 8 loop, but it has a different structure to it.WikipedianYknOK 07:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support

I definitely agree that this page should be merged with Figure-of-eight Loop. Like someone has already said, the knots are the same, except for their method of tying. They have the same pros and cons except for tying speed, and they have the same safety considerations. Because all of that information is shared, the two articles should be merged. meatmanek 05:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In favor. --Netizen 19:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and completed the merge, since the merge tags had been sitting there for nearly a year and the comments above indicate support. jwillbur 23:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other names

This way of tying the knot is also called a 'rethreaded' figure-of-eight (at least in the UK), requiring access to the working end. As opposed to tying it directly on a bight. 131.111.154.25 14:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)