Talk:Fictional crossover

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Has anyone seen that Swiffer commercial with Florence from The Jeffersons, Rosario from Will & Grace, Alice from The Brady Bunch, Benson from Soap and Benson, and Geoffrey from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air?

What category would that be in? Because honestly, the ones here are a little confusing.

No one really likes posting here when the categories are this confusing. I know, I made them. If anyone wants to reorganize them in some form, or explain them in better terms, go ahead. Ihavenolife

It seems to me that the place to start is by defining the different types a little better - these categories are both confusing and in some cases, counter-intuitive. What did you have in mind for each of them when you created them? Lokicarbis 06:38, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

Why is the article under the plural 'fictional crossovers' and 'fictional crossover' a redirect? 213.236.117.2 14:28, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] List of crossovers really necessary?

The current lists of different crossover occurrences seem to be both too long, too unorganized, and too incomplete (to me, anyway).

I think perhaps just having one or two examples of each style of crossover would be better than having a massive jumbled list.

Anyone else agree / disagree / have other ideas?

Sign your comments. I have added the cleanup banner to this section. Programme titles must be in italics. Period. In addition, there is a lot of "creative capitalization" in this section, and incomplete sentences. Since it's such a mess and will have to be cleaned up by parties not responsible for the mess, I agree with the anon poster above: let's whittle it down, or get rid of it altogether. The list has become a fanboy magnet and is neither comprehensive nor cohesive enough to be considered encyclopedic. Canonblack 04:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. Perhaps, given that the list is rather long and unwieldy, a special 'list of fictional crossovers' page could be created and maintained? That way, the discussion of each type (general, parody, etc) could be shortened and a lengthy list of examples could be provided with a separate link. --Joseph Q Publique 04:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've cleaned up the article and tried to make it a bit more focused and tighter on the topic. Anyone who's wondering where the massive list has gone to, don't worry; the list has been transferred to it's own page, which can be added to whenever by whoever. It's the 'List of fictional crossovers' link in the 'See also' section. Anyone who wants to edit my no doubt random ramblings, please feel free :-). --Joseph Q Publique 08:35, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conan meeting Elric was referenced many subsquent times.

I must disagree with this article. Conan meeting Elric was not some one-shot deal with no consquences. The wizard Kulan Gath died in that crossover, and when he next met Conan in Conan the Barbarian I#253-260, in issue#259, he referenced his death in that issue, calling Elric an "albino". Not only that, but in Savage Sword of Conan#189, Zukala also recalled meeting Elric.

I removed a section about Superman being real in the Seinfeld universe, based on one conversaion in the series. Seinfeld characters frequently talk about stuff they know nothing about. DJ Clayworth 13:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, somebody has gone and replaced it. I do not agree that Superman is "real" in the Seinfeld universe. Jerry and George are simply Superman fans and discuss him frequently. It's meant as a verbal game the characters play, much like a thought experiment although that's probably givign it too much weight. I don't think it was ever meant to imply that Superman "exists" in the Seinfeld universe in the sense that one could meet him on the street, or see him flying overhead. I'm removing the comment from the article. Canonblack 04:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor inaccuracy

Captain N took place in Video Land (as explicitly stated in the show's opening) and not N-World. Unless someone makes a similar show based on the N-Gage I doubt anyone would give such a name to a video-game uni/multi-verse.

[edit] Considered to be PD?

or through the incorporation of characters and fictional universes within the public domain (or those that are at least considered to be; examples include Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, etc)

Sherlock Holmes? Dracula? Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (d. 1930) and Bram Stoker (d. 1912) certainly died before January 1, 1936, putting the works in the public domain in life-plus-50 and life-plus-70 countries. Only a few SH stories remain eligible for copyright in the United States. So are we talking about Mexico (life plus 100)? Or are we talking about use of trademark as an ersatz copyright against derivative works? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 23:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Batman Crossover

I've forgotten the name of the characters that appear in an episode of Batman. Batman and Robin are climbing up a building when two people, dressed in green suits and hats, open a window and ask something. I know they originated on another episode of Batman, but I have forgotten the name.

I can't recall if I've seen that episode or not, but it sounds like you are talking about the Green Hornet and Kato. The GH show was produced by the same people so they cross-over once or twice.

[edit] Renaming discussion

The category and the name of this article are currently being discussed for renaming WP:CFD#Category:Fictional_crossovers . Some are proposing a complete reversal of title word order to Crossover fiction. // FrankB 02:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The_Jimmy_Timmy_Power_Hour

Um, here's one.

[edit] Video Game crossovers

Super Robot Wars and Namco X Capcom, as well as all the Marvel vs. Capcom and other similar fighting games could be added into the page.

[edit] WikiProject Fan Fiction template

I have added the WP Fan Fiction template because this article is used as a reference for "crossover" in some fan fiction articles and a lot of crossovers are fan fiction. This of course does not imply that all crossovers are (as they obviously are not), but a lot are, etc.,etc., so... yeah. Hence the template. Runa27 23:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of spin-offs

I think the list of spin-offs is becoming too long and unwieldy; we only need a handful to illustrate the overall point that certain shows that have spin-offs do crossover with each other. Furthermore, whilst I'm not familiar with every show in that list, it seems to have become more a general listing of shows which have spin-offs rather than shows with spin-offs that have crossed over with each other to me, or lists of shows that can be connected by crossovers without actually being spin-offs from each other.--Joseph Q Publique 01:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article overhaul

With apologies to everyone whose contributions I just lopped off, I adopted a bold stance and did a thorough overhaul of the article. It was, to my eye, on a bit of a rambling course, and said many of the same things repeatedly. Hopefully, it's a bit more focused now.

One of the major changes was to that television crossover list. I just had to delete it. As User:Joseph Q Publique notes, above, it was a conflation of two ideas: spin-offs and crossovers. Frankly, both lists have already been done, better, elsewhere, and the article already linked to both other lists. When a list of crossovers gets to the point of claiming that Blossom and Gloria are related by crossover, it's time to throw it out as failing to convey useful information. Or even, for that matter, accurate information.

I've also greatly reduced the lead and the number of sections. The article has been split into two main sections, "Legal" and "Unofficial" crossovers. Much of the lead appeared in three separate places before; now the bulk of what had been the lead now only appears under the new main section heading, "Legal Crossover". All the stuff that was actually describing a type of television crossover is now under the "Television" heading.

But the article still has significant deficiencies. I think it needs some historical background. It's kinda weird that you can read the whole article and not be able to answer the simple question, "What was the first fictional crossover?". I also think the "Unofficial" section needs some beefing up, and probably needs to get away from its nascent tendency towards yet another list. It probably needs an image: maybe the cover of The Doctor and the Enterprise, since it can't really be covered by copyright, would be appropriate. Maybe there are some hard facts that could be added to the "Legal" section. Is there any data on whether crossovers actually do drive sales or ratings? Are there critical opinions about the merits of crossovers?

The major problem with the article remains that it's still largely unreferenced, and that's a big problem, given how old the article actually is. CzechOut 00:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joking Crossovers in same show?

  • In series Darkwing Duck there are two joking crossovers "A Star is Scorned" {Darkwing Duck charatchers are revealed to be actors-with a joke of Drake Mallard watching "DD" on TV!} and "Twitching Channels" {Darkwing finds out he is a cartoon show in a parrell universive}. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.110 (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Done

i mergered it....--O.waqfi (talk) 17:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removing duplicate section

The text of this article is, some for reason, duplicated twice. Looking at the edit history it looks like when someone removes the duplicate (as I have just done), a bot will usually come along, detect the sudden deleition of half the article as vandalism, and put the duplication back.

How can we get around this? Aawood (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)