Talk:Fertility monitor

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[edit] Pronunciation

Is the name of this product pronounced (a) rather like "person", with an extra vowel on the end, or (b) "pee-ee-ar-ess-oh-en-ay"? -- Hoary 00:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Persona is an ordinary word of English (albeit borrowed from Latin), pronounced roughly "per-SONE-uh", and the name of the product is presumably taken from that. There's no reason to think it would be spelled out letter by letter, just because it's written in capitals, as many trade names and other proper nouns are. Flapdragon 10:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes indeed, many trade names are written by their owners (and the most servile of third parties) in FULL CAPITALS. Sanyo is one of many companies to do this for its own name. Sanyo is free to do it. The rest of the world is then free to ignore it. Wikipedia's style manual very sensibly agrees with other style manuals and says that Wikipedia articles should ignore it. Is there some extraordinary reason why Wikipedia should kowtow to the owner's typographic arrogance for this particular product? -- Hoary 10:40, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, "kowtowing to typographic arrogance" is a rather passionate and dare I say it non-encyclopaedic way of putting it, and I think you might be simplifying the issues discussed in the MoS last time I looked. Wikipedia seems happy to go along with typographical quirks like eBay, HarperCollins, QinetiQ etc. If nothing else it's worth noting that the manufacturers use a certain form, which can have important legal consequences, as with SPAM (you might want to take a look at that entry incidentally). Also it's important to make a distinction between the trade name itself and the form it takes in the logo -- yes, Sony has a logo in which the word appears in caps, as many do (Ferodo, Tampax, Bisto, Hoover; Cuprinol and Flora seem to vary, and ironically eBay's logo is in the form "ebay"), but it doesn't spell it in caps in normal running text. If there is a proper rule on the subject then obviously I bow to that, though I respectfully suggest it might have saved time for both of us if you'd quoted that at the start rather than confusing the issue with talk of "shouting" or whatever. Best wishes Flapdragon 14:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah but we're not actually writing an encyclopedia here, but rather discussing it. So I think we can call a spade (etc). Certainly you're entirely free to say what you want about my preferences. (Actually I think the en:WP demand for "civility" is greatly overdone.) But back to the capitalization issue. MoS unenthusiastically goes along with what it calls "camelcase" ("DaimlerChrysler" and the rest) but as far as I understand it rules out "SANYO", "SONY", "PERSONA" and so on (just as I think it should). I came across this product via Persona (disambiguation), which I came across via Hiroh Kikai, whose book has "PERSONA" written across the front of it but which is rightly (I think) referred to as Persona. -- Hoary 15:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree about the civility actually, what I meant was just that one probably shdn't edit on the basis of such strong personal feelings. I dislike whimsical spellings too, though I don't see it as completely straightforward -- to some extent the name of a product *is* what the manufacturers decide, and there's surely a distinction between "normal" camel case like HarperCollins (which can be taken by the rest of the world, refusing to kowtow, as Harper Collins or Harpercollins), and silly typographical whimsy like QinetiQ. (SONY isn't a relevant example though as they only spell it in caps in the logo, as I say). I'm sure there will be many cases of trade names spelled lower-case throughout and listed as such in WP, though unfortunately none came to mind. Anyway I'm afraid I haven't got the time at the moment to check it out for myself but if the MoS says it shoudn't be caps then fair enough I suppose. Flapdragon 16:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

I've changed this to a page covering all fertility monitors, not just the Persona brand. It seems unlikely that a long encyclopedia article could be written on each of these devices, so it's more efficient to cover them all on one page. Should one or more of the sections get more in-depth, it can be spun back out into its own article later. Also, I agree with Hoary that Wikipedia policy is best followed by using "Persona" rather than "PERSONA" so I've made that change along with move-related edits. Lyrl^Talk _C 23:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ladycomp and babycomp fertility monitors

New post: I had added the following webpage for the Ladycomp and Babycomp fertility monitors:

www.healthybirthcontrol.com

for the reason that this website is dedicated to the full scientific research data on these monitors.

Research on these monitors show that the Ladycomp has THE SAME EFFECTIVENESS as the birth control pill, the reliability of which is unmatched in any other form of natural contraception.Priyakarani (talk) 04:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)